Given this room, what is best for windows reflection and correct positioning of speakers

Gankhuyag

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UpTone EtherRegen with Supra RJ45 cable CAT 8 (coming soon)
Apple Mac mini with Audirvana (coming soon)
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BEAUTIFUL ROOM!
 
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speakers out further into the room, get rid of the coffee table 'thingy', move the 'massage' bed to somewhere else and replace with something far more comfortable for listening.

As for the windows, heavily lined retractable drapes for the lower half.
 

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What speakers are you using? The ones shown appear far too close to the back wall. I'm sure you don't want to spoil the view so I'll not suggest you block it with curtains but to swtitch to horn speakers such as Avantgarges. These are far more directional than boxed speakers and far less fussy about closeness to walls or their surfaces. My own room is even more difficult than yours being semi-circular (actually more parabolic) with floor-to-ceing glazing along the curved walls, but only 7'7" ceiling height. I don't want curtains as these would block my valued view too. My Avantgarde Duos sound great. I tried Martin Logan electrostatics but they objected to their mid-room positioning.

You'll probably need more soft furnishing such as carpet, but maybe there is some. It appears too echoey, but hopefully you can adress that without resorting to curtains, You could perhaps (as I do) have some curtaining stored on the pillar between your glazing in such a way your view is retained but offering some degree of acoustic treatment. Anything you can do to soften the wall behind the listening position would help too. The yellow chair looks 1000% more comfortable than the grey job, so furniture needs moving or changing! Good luck - that should make a great room.
 
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Given the level of available resources your system and room suggest, and the obvious challenge of such a large room, high ceiling and expanse of glass I would suggest that you engage a professional room acoustics design/consultation firm. Since I am a convert to ZR Acoustics panels my recommendation would naturally be that you contact Delta Design/ZR for a consultation/proposal. But you could also use one of the conventional acoustics firms or get more than one consult/proposal. If you go the DIY route the most important step is eliminating the reflections off of the wall behind the speakers.
 

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The two most important things that you need to do to get very good sound are
1) Positioning the speakers- room is large and you should move them out from the rear wall. It seems as if the speaker on the right is fairly far away from the glass windows so that is good to have space on the outside of the two speakers as well. The proper distance requires listening and moving the speakers in small increments and listening to the result. If you don't know how to do this or don't want to you can hire people to do this for you.
2),, The second thing is where you are going to sit. In the picture there are two items directly in front of the speakers are neither really looks like a comfortable place to sit, relax and enjoy the music.
Generally if you set up a TRIANGLE with the speakers 8-12 feet apart ( this is just an approx. since I am not in the room) and sit approx. 10-15 feet away ( again approx.) this is where you can begin to listen.
It is possible you might need some treatments on the windows or even the walls but that is really hard to say just from a rendering.
The overall acoustics of this room have to be experienced rather than take a look, echo, reflections etc.
 
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My setup:
Burmester 151 Music Center
Burmester 088 Preamp
Burmester 911 MK3 Power amp
Pro-Ject Xtension 10 Evolution +SuperPack with Ortofon Cadenza Black
Pro-Ject Phono Box RS2
Burmester BA31 Ambience Loudspeakers
Burmester V6 Rack
Burmester 948 Power Conditioner
Burmester Silver interconnects 3x
Nice setup! Just lacks a turntable;)
 
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Nice setup! Just lacks a turntable;)
Well, he says he has a Pro-Ject Xtension 10 Evolution. I guess we just don't see it.

Beautiful room. I may be wrong and mean no disrespect, but it seems you are seeking general background music for the room since it does not appear to be a typical audiophile lair with an optimized listening spot, correct?

May I also ask, what is the interesting 3 layered thing in the top right of the photo? Outdoor lighting?
 

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IMO. we worry about bad first reflections Less of a problem in large rooms. Given the likely sweet spot I do not think the windows are going to be a problem. If you have a laser pointer and a ,Mirror you caan put the mirror on the window. stand at the speaker point the laser at the mirror. See where the reflection goes. It will probably miss the listening position.
 
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Gankhuyag

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speakers out further into the room, get rid of the coffee table 'thingy', move the 'massage' bed to somewhere else and replace with something far more comfortable for listening.

As for the windows, heavily lined retractable drapes for the lower half.
Thank you. I will get rid of the furniture that designers suggested. Will follow your advices :)
 

Gankhuyag

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What speakers are you using? The ones shown appear far too close to the back wall. I'm sure you don't want to spoil the view so I'll not suggest you block it with curtains but to swtitch to horn speakers such as Avantgarges. These are far more directional than boxed speakers and far less fussy about closeness to walls or their surfaces. My own room is even more difficult than yours being semi-circular (actually more parabolic) with floor-to-ceing glazing along the curved walls, but only 7'7" ceiling height. I don't want curtains as these would block my valued view too. My Avantgarde Duos sound great. I tried Martin Logan electrostatics but they objected to their mid-room positioning.

You'll probably need more soft furnishing such as carpet, but maybe there is some. It appears too echoey, but hopefully you can adress that without resorting to curtains, You could perhaps (as I do) have some curtaining stored on the pillar between your glazing in such a way your view is retained but offering some degree of acoustic treatment. Anything you can do to soften the wall behind the listening position would help too. The yellow chair looks 1000% more comfortable than the grey job, so furniture needs moving or changing! Good luck - that should make a great room.
This is just a concept drawing. Anything can be changed. My speakers are Burmester BA31.
 

Gankhuyag

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IMO. we worry about bad first reflections Less of a problem in large rooms. Given the likely sweet spot I do not think the windows are going to be a problem. If you have a laser pointer and a ,Mirror you caan put the mirror on the window. stand at the speaker point the laser at the mirror. See where the reflection goes. It will probably miss the listening position.
Good advice. Thank you. Will check
 

Gankhuyag

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Well, he says he has a Pro-Ject Xtension 10 Evolution. I guess we just don't see it.

Beautiful room. I may be wrong and mean no disrespect, but it seems you are seeking general background music for the room since it does not appear to be a typical audiophile lair with an optimized listening spot, correct?

May I also ask, what is the interesting 3 layered thing in the top right of the photo? Outdoor lighting?
Hi there,
1.The render is just a concept of my house where I will move next month. Here is the real photo of my current setup.
2. trying to find optimized listening spot. The furniture and other staff are just a suggestion of a designer
3. Oh, that is just a suspended chandelier

thank you
 

Gankhuyag

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Hi there,
1.The render is just a concept of my house where I will move next month. Here is the real photo of my current setup.
2. trying to find optimized listening spot. The furniture and other staff are just a suggestion of a designer
3. Oh, that is just a suspended chandelier

thank you
 

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The two most important things that you need to do to get very good sound are
1) Positioning the speakers- room is large and you should move them out from the rear wall. It seems as if the speaker on the right is fairly far away from the glass windows so that is good to have space on the outside of the two speakers as well. The proper distance requires listening and moving the speakers in small increments and listening to the result. If you don't know how to do this or don't want to you can hire people to do this for you.
2),, The second thing is where you are going to sit. In the picture there are two items directly in front of the speakers are neither really looks like a comfortable place to sit, relax and enjoy the music.
Generally if you set up a TRIANGLE with the speakers 8-12 feet apart ( this is just an approx. since I am not in the room) and sit approx. 10-15 feet away ( again approx.) this is where you can begin to listen.
It is possible you might need some treatments on the windows or even the walls but that is really hard to say just from a rendering.
The overall acoustics of this room have to be experienced rather than take a look, echo, reflections etc.
Thank you very much. Will try hard to experience once I move into my new house.
 
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Gankhuyag

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What speakers are you using? The ones shown appear far too close to the back wall. I'm sure you don't want to spoil the view so I'll not suggest you block it with curtains but to swtitch to horn speakers such as Avantgarges. These are far more directional than boxed speakers and far less fussy about closeness to walls or their surfaces. My own room is even more difficult than yours being semi-circular (actually more parabolic) with floor-to-ceing glazing along the curved walls, but only 7'7" ceiling height. I don't want curtains as these would block my valued view too. My Avantgarde Duos sound great. I tried Martin Logan electrostatics but they objected to their mid-room positioning.

You'll probably need more soft furnishing such as carpet, but maybe there is some. It appears too echoey, but hopefully you can adress that without resorting to curtains, You could perhaps (as I do) have some curtaining stored on the pillar between your glazing in such a way your view is retained but offering some degree of acoustic treatment. Anything you can do to soften the wall behind the listening position would help too. The yellow chair looks 1000% more comfortable than the grey job, so furniture needs moving or changing! Good luck - that should make a great room.
Nice setup! Just lacks a turntable;)
This is a render picture
 

Gankhuyag

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The two most important things that you need to do to get very good sound are
1) Positioning the speakers- room is large and you should move them out from the rear wall. It seems as if the speaker on the right is fairly far away from the glass windows so that is good to have space on the outside of the two speakers as well. The proper distance requires listening and moving the speakers in small increments and listening to the result. If you don't know how to do this or don't want to you can hire people to do this for you.
2),, The second thing is where you are going to sit. In the picture there are two items directly in front of the speakers are neither really looks like a comfortable place to sit, relax and enjoy the music.
Generally if you set up a TRIANGLE with the speakers 8-12 feet apart ( this is just an approx. since I am not in the room) and sit approx. 10-15 feet away ( again approx.) this is where you can begin to listen.
It is possible you might need some treatments on the windows or even the walls but that is really hard to say just from a rendering.
The overall acoustics of this room have to be experienced rather than take a look, echo, reflections etc.
Maybe not for audio :)
I know, but trying to improve it
 

Gankhuyag

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Given the level of available resources your system and room suggest, and the obvious challenge of such a large room, high ceiling and expanse of glass I would suggest that you engage a professional room acoustics design/consultation firm. Since I am a convert to ZR Acoustics panels my recommendation would naturally be that you contact Delta Design/ZR for a consultation/proposal. But you could also use one of the conventional acoustics firms or get more than one consult/proposal. If you go the DIY route the most important step is eliminating the reflections off of the wall behind the speakers.
Thank you. Unfortunately, I am so far away from you. In freezing and snowy Mongolia.
 
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