CH Precision L10 & M10 : My votes for the Best SS amps (for the past 5 yrs till 6-2021)

CKKeung

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The flagship Series 10 of CH Precision was announced during the Munich Show in 2019.
A few engineering prototypes were displayed then and Florian claimed that they would be ready to launch by the end of 2019.
https://www.ch-precision.com/ch-cat/series/10-series/

Delay seems to be inevitable for flagship series launch of every brands & CH Precision is no exception.
Compounded by the COVID pandemic in 2020, there has been further serious delay.

There have been some posts on WBF from the various dealers :
https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threads/just-arrived-my-m10-4boxes-l10-2-boxes.32979/
https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threads/prestigious-awards-for-the-10-series.31965/
https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threads/ch-precision-10-series.32193/

However many of the customers worldwide who had placed orders have not received the amps yet. The situation is the same in Hong Kong.
I am lucky and have visited the CH Precision Asia Office in Hong Kong 3 times to listen to these fabulous amps.
Let me share with you some photos.

The first visit in mid 2020 :
The HK office got the L10 only.

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The L10 was accompanied by D1.1 ; C1.1 Mono : Stenheim A5 speaker ; bi-amped by a pair of A1.5 and a pair of M1.1 :

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The second visit in late 2020 :
The M10 had arrived and was driven by the L10.

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The frontend and speaker remained the same :

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The third visit was 1 month ago:
Still L10 + M10
Speakers changed to an Avant-garde horn :

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But this time there was a Goldmund Legend !

20210513_220143~2.jpg

I would share my views on L10 & M10 on a following post.
:)
 

CKKeung

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IMHO and as stated on the title of this thread, IMHO the L10 and M10 are the best newly launched SS amps for the past 5 years, till June 2021.
(I can't predict the future :D )

What really impressed me are their Naturalness & Realness.
They have more of everything than CH's previous amps and possibly ss amps of every other brands …. beauty, timbre, density, details/resolution, macro-dynamics and micro-dynamics, ambience and acoustic information ... etc.
The list goes on & on.

They are extremely immersive & involving.
I soon forgot my initial aim of evaluating them but simply enjoyed the music during all 3 visits.

They are quite like my MSB Select combo in characters. :cool:

Between L10 and M10, the former must be the invincible brother.
I guess there isn't any poweramp which is unsuitable to pair with L10.

For the M10, the speakers used and the listening room size are the two confounding factors.
I think one stereo M10 betters a pair of M1.1 monos easily.
If the room is large and the speaker very power-hungry, bi-amping (such as by a pair of A1.5 + a pair of M1.1) will have advantage over a stereo M10.

Of course CH Precision offers an upgrade path of Mono L10 and Mono M10.
But the price will then be astronomical! haha
o_O
 
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Fantastic! Great feedback.
 

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IMHO and as the title of this thread, IMHO the L10 and M10 are the best newly launched SS amps for the past 5 years, till June 2021.
(I can't predict the future :D )

What really impressed me are their Naturalness & Realness.
They have more of everything than CH's previous amp and possibly ss amps of every other brands …. beauty, timbre, density, details/resolution, macro-dynamics and micro-dynamics, ambience and acoustic information ... etc.
The list goes on & on.

They are extremely immersive & involving.
I soon forgot my initial aim of evaluating them but simply enjoyed the music during all 3 visits.

They are quite like my MSB Select combo in characters. :cool:

Between L10 and M10, the former must be the invincible brother.
I guess there isn't any poweramps which are unsuitable to pair with it.

For the M10, the speakers used and the listening room size are two confounding factors.
But I think one stereo M10 betters a pair of M1.1 monos easily.
If the room is large and the speaker power-hungry, biamping such as by a pair of A1.5 & a pair of M1.1) will have advantage over a stereo M10.

Of course CH Precision offers an upgrade path of Mono L10 and Mono M10.
The price will be astronomical! haha
o_O
Have you heard the Robert Koda K160s? Have you spoken with anyone who has heard both, even if in different system?
 

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Have you heard the Robert Koda K160s? Have you spoken with anyone who has heard both, even if in different system?
Yes, I auditioned K15ex & K160, but in a diff system.
 

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Very interesting! Any 'listening notes' on how you 'guestimate' they compare in terms of sound character? ie, one more neutral, one greater bass authority, etc?
 

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Very interesting! Any 'listening notes' on how you 'guestimate' they compare in terms of sound character? ie, one more neutral, one greater bass authority, etc?
I have just shared my views with you via pm.
 

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Thank you!
 

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Great thread! CH Precision doesn't get enough attention imo. In fact I was just starting my own thread about them - which I'll still do since it's a system thread and not focused on the new 10 series.
 

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@CKKeung I'm curious if you know whether you were listening to the L10 in local or global feedback mode?
 

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@CKKeung I'm curious if you know whether you were listening to the L10 in local or global feedback mode?
Yes, I was demoed the diff settings of grounding/feedback and I considered one of them my favorite.
However I forget which is which now.
 

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Yes, I was demoed the diff settings of grounding/feedback and I considered one of them my favorite.
However I forget which is which now.
So you heard a difference with the grounding as well?
 

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So you heard a difference with the grounding as well?
Yes.
The final preference gave a more open sound IMHO.
Not difficult to differentiate.
 
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Hi Everyone. The L10 has a new feature for our preamps, the ability to select 0% global feedback or 100% global feedback. The L10 defaults to 0% but one can easily change this setting from the front panel or with our CH Precision control app. I prefer 0% in the listening I’ve done with L10 stereo and the L10 mono. The presentation seems to be more three dimensional and real with the 0% setting.

As far as grounding is concerned, we implemented the same design concept on the L10 as the L1. Rather than the jumper that was present on the L1 we now have a switch that ties signal ground to earth ground on the L10. In an all CH Precision system I recommend engaging the switch on the L10 (to connect signal ground to earth ground) or placing the L1 jumper in the black/yellow position. All other CH Precision components should be black/black or jumper removed (1-series) or switch open on M10s. In my system this provided the quietest background that let even more details in the recording come through.
 

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Hi Everyone. The L10 has a new feature for our preamps, the ability to select 0% global feedback or 100% global feedback. The L10 defaults to 0% but one can easily change this setting from the front panel or with our CH Precision control app. I prefer 0% in the listening I’ve done with L10 stereo and the L10 mono. The presentation seems to be more three dimensional and real with the 0% setting.

As far as grounding is concerned, we implemented the same design concept on the L10 as the L1. Rather than the jumper that was present on the L1 we now have a switch that ties signal ground to earth ground on the L10. In an all CH Precision system I recommend engaging the switch on the L10 (to connect signal ground to earth ground) or placing the L1 jumper in the black/yellow position. All other CH Precision components should be black/black or jumper removed (1-series) or switch open on M10s. In my system this provided the quietest background that let even more details in the recording come through.
HI Ralph

when u say you recommend to engage the switch on the back of the L10 wrt grounding - u mean push the switch to "Linked"?
 

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IMHO and as stated on the title of this thread, IMHO the L10 and M10 are the best newly launched SS amps for the past 5 years, till June 2021.
(I can't predict the future :D )

What really impressed me are their Naturalness & Realness.
They have more of everything than CH's previous amps and possibly ss amps of every other brands …. beauty, timbre, density, details/resolution, macro-dynamics and micro-dynamics, ambience and acoustic information ... etc.
The list goes on & on.

They are extremely immersive & involving.
I soon forgot my initial aim of evaluating them but simply enjoyed the music during all 3 visits.

They are quite like my MSB Select combo in characters. :cool:

Between L10 and M10, the former must be the invincible brother.
I guess there isn't any poweramp which is unsuitable to pair with L10.

For the M10, the speakers used and the listening room size are the two confounding factors.
I think one stereo M10 betters a pair of M1.1 monos easily.
If the room is large and the speaker very power-hungry, bi-amping (such as by a pair of A1.5 + a pair of M1.1) will have advantage over a stereo M10.

Of course CH Precision offers an upgrade path of Mono L10 and Mono M10.
But the price will then be astronomical! haha
o_O
Very nice review! Thank you for posting this.
 
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The flagship Series 10 of CH Precision was announced during the Munich Show in 2019.
A few engineering prototypes were displayed then and Florian claimed that they would be ready to launch by the end of 2019.
https://www.ch-precision.com/ch-cat/series/10-series/

Delay seems to be inevitable for flagship series launch of every brands & CH Precision is no exception.
Compounded by the COVID pandemic in 2020, there has been further serious delay.

There have been some posts on WBF from the various dealers :
https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threads/just-arrived-my-m10-4boxes-l10-2-boxes.32979/
https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threads/prestigious-awards-for-the-10-series.31965/
https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threads/ch-precision-10-series.32193/

However many of the customers worldwide who had placed orders have not received the amps yet. The situation is the same in Hong Kong.
I am lucky and have visited the CH Precision Asia Office in Hong Kong 3 times to listen to these fabulous amps.
Let me share with you some photos.

The first visit in mid 2020 :
The HK office got the L10 only.

View attachment 79218
View attachment 79219
View attachment 79220

The L10 was accompanied by D1.1 ; C1.1 Mono : Stenheim A5 speaker ; bi-amped by a pair of A1.5 and a pair of M1.1 :

View attachment 79221


The second visit in late 2020 :
The M10 had arrived and was driven by the L10.

View attachment 79222
View attachment 79223

The frontend and speaker remained the same :

View attachment 79224

The third visit was 1 month ago:
Still L10 + M10
Speakers changed to an Avant-garde horn :

View attachment 79225


But this time there was a Goldmund Legend !

View attachment 79226

I would share my views on L10 & M10 on a following post.
:)
I dig the Goldmund! in particular the gold relief clamp.
 

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