Brinkmann Balance vs. Spiral Groove SG1 vs. TW Acustic Black Night

Hyperion

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Hi,

I'm seriously considering one of these turntables at the moment, and I would truly appreciate any opinions regarding them related to sonics, reliability, flexibility, ease of use & maintenance etc.

The candidates are:

- Brinkmann Balance anniversary (turntable, 10.5 tonearm, Ti-cartridge, tube power supply, HRS-platform)

- Spiral Groove SG1 + Centroid tonearm

- TW Acustic Black Night + Raven 10.5 tonearm

The price for these setups (used or new) are quite similar when adding a cartridge within the 4-5000$ price range to either the Spiral Groove or TW Acustic tables. But, I can get the Black Knight + Raven 10.5 tonearm new at about the same price as the others used.

I'm using the Brinkmann Bardo today, which I believe is a very neutral and reliable table. But, to some degree it doesn't manage to engage me enough emotionally being rather correct and slightly sharp around the edges. What I'm looking for in an upgrade is first and foremost a more generous and musical presentation (warmth, scale, texture, body, flow) - more music and less hifi if you wish.

My taste in music is varied, but I tend to optimize my system based on what I listen to the most (sing- and songwriters), which means that the handling of voices, acoustical instruments and piano are critical.

So far, my gut feeling tells me that the TW Acoustics Black Night might be the answer partnered with the right cartridge.

My phono is the Zanden 1200 MKIII. The rest of the system consists of an Aesthetix Callisto Eclipse (preamp), Karan KA M2000 (monos) and Sonus Faber Futura (speakers). Cabling is Nordost Valhalla (power) + Kubala Sosna Elation (interconnects).

Any inputs are most welcome!
 

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Hi,

I'm seriously considering one of these turntables at the moment, and I would truly appreciate any opinions regarding them related to sonics, reliability, flexibility, ease of use & maintenance etc.

The candidates are:

- Brinkmann Balance anniversary (turntable, 10.5 tonearm, Ti-cartridge, tube power supply, HRS-platform)

- Spiral Groove SG1 + Centroid tonearm

- TW Acustic Black Night + Raven 10.5 tonearm

The price for these setups (used or new) are quite similar when adding a cartridge within the 4-5000$ price range to either the Spiral Groove or TW Acustic tables. But, I can get the Black Knight + Raven 10.5 tonearm new at about the same price as the others used.

I'm using the Brinkmann Bardo today, which I believe is a very neutral and reliable table. But, to some degree it doesn't manage to engage me enough emotionally being rather correct and slightly sharp around the edges. What I'm looking for in an upgrade is first and foremost a more generous and musical presentation (warmth, scale, texture, body, flow) - more music and less hifi if you wish.

My taste in music is varied, but I tend to optimize my system based on what I listen to the most (sing- and songwriters), which means that the handling of voices, acoustical instruments and piano are critical.

So far, my gut feeling tells me that the TW Acoustics Black Night might be the answer partnered with the right cartridge.

My phono is the Zanden 1200 MKIII. The rest of the system consists of an Aesthetix Callisto Eclipse (preamp), Karan KA M2000 (monos) and Sonus Faber Futura (speakers). Cabling is Nordost Valhalla (power) + Kubala Sosna Elation (interconnects).

Any inputs are most welcome!
Have you tried any other phono stages? Zanden is pretty but really doesn't excite me either.
 

Hyperion

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Not in this system and setup, no. And yes, you might have a point (=one more thing to consider). I've considered the Aesthetix IO earlier as the natural partner to my Callisto preamp, but as I have enough boxes and tubes in my system allready, I've put it all on hold.

Have you tried any other phono stages? Zanden is pretty but really doesn't excite me either.
 

paskinn

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Always tricky because no two people have identical taste; I can't help noticing that all three choices lack any attempt at a suspension, and thus cannot deal properly with issues of isolation I've compared several none suspended decks, by themselves and then on a vibraplane. It was clear that all suffered from low-level feedback....hardly surprising because a bit of mass cannot supress vibration. So, whichever deck you choose, I hope you set aside serious money to provide the isolation needed.
Me, I would be looking at decks designed from the start with good isolation. Which is rather more than big lumps of machined metal.
 

Hyperion

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Always tricky because no two people have identical taste; I can't help noticing that all three choices lack any attempt at a suspension, and thus cannot deal properly with issues of isolation I've compared several none suspended decks, by themselves and then on a vibraplane. It was clear that all suffered from low-level feedback....hardly surprising because a bit of mass cannot supress vibration. So, whichever deck you choose, I hope you set aside serious money to provide the isolation needed.
Me, I would be looking at decks designed from the start with good isolation. Which is rather more than big lumps of machined metal.
Thanks for the feedback. I have a Brinkmann Balance setup on the way including a dedicated HRS-platform.
 

paskinn

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Thanks for the feedback. I have a Brinkmann Balance setup on the way including a dedicated HRS-platform.
I would imagine that will be excellent; I think it wise with this type of design to include in the budget the cost of world-class isolation. Should sound fabulous.
 

PeterA

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I heard the Brinkmann Balance at a show in NYC last year. The dealer was demonstrating both the Balance and the Bardo on active Vibraplanes. They used to prefer custom HRS platforms, but apparently switched and are selling most of their tables with Vibraplanes now. The sound was excellent. I agree with paskinn that proper isolation is essential to getting the most out of an unsuspended turntable.

I use a Vibraplane under my suspended SME table and put the motor controller on it also. It was a nice improvement. The Brinkmann tables are excellent.
 

dcc

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Thanks for the feedback. I have a Brinkmann Balance setup on the way including a dedicated HRS-platform.
Congrats for the acquisition. I am still in the discovery phase of my Balance. All I can say is that it is an outstanding piece of analog audio. I hope to write a detailed report within two to three weeks.
 

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Hyperion: How's the Brinkmann Balance sounding and did you get the "more generous and and musical presentation" you were looking for? Any insights into the HRS platform and RoNt tube power supply and their contribution to overall sound? I'm considering a new turntable and this is on my list. Thanks!
 

Hyperion

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Hi there,

It's wonderful to see this thread coming to live again :D

Fact is that I'm deep into the high-end business these days... www.perfect-sense.se

I've chosen to carry AMG, Vertere, Torqueo and Gold Note on the turntable side, and couldn't be happier. They're all different, fulfilling different needs and wishes at several price points.

/ Marcus
 

bonzo75

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Hi there,

It's wonderful to see this thread coming to live again :D

Fact is that I'm deep into the high-end business these days... www.perfect-sense.se

I've chosen to carry AMG, Vertere, Torqueo and Gold Note on the turntable side, and couldn't be happier. They're all different, fulfilling different needs and wishes at several price points.

/ Marcus
Goldnote analog for the price was just so musical when Gian60 and I heard it in Italy. Want to listen to the Torqueo sometime.
 

Hyperion

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Goldnote analog for the price was just so musical when Gian60 and I heard it in Italy. Want to listen to the Torqueo sometime.
Gold Note has a great price- performance ratio and are beautiful in a very classical Italian way. I've just received the Torqueo Compact...

/ Marcus
 

gian60

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Dear Ked,
i am thinking to buy end of the year,also because needs 3 months to delivery a Torqueo,so one weekend we can compare in my home Torqueo against Schopper with his power supply PS1
 

bonzo75

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Dear Ked,
i am thinking to buy end of the year,also because needs 3 months to delivery a Torqueo,so one weekend we can compare in my home Torqueo against Schopper with his power supply PS1
Wow wow wow
 

gian60

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15 of february is my birthday,so i hope we can do one trial with Bergmann, Schopper with PS1,Torqueo and AF3 with Elite 12",i am changing with my CH A1 that i don't use,
a very good dinner and lunch with Marco and Carlo,and i bring you to listen WE system with ANJapan from Claudio that live 5 km to my home.

Its ok?
 

bonzo75

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15 of february is my birthday,so i hope we can do one trial with Bergmann, Schopper with PS1,Torqueo and AF3 with Elite 12",i am changing with my CH A1 that i don't use,
a very good dinner and lunch with Marco and Carlo,and i bring you to listen WE system with ANJapan from Claudio that live 5 km to my home.

Its ok?
Almost :). I can leave only 15th night, so we can do the 16th and 17th as that's Sat and Sun. Not sure I can wait that long though, and might have to do a trip earlier later this year for other stuff.
 

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