Apple Laid an ABSOLUTE EGG with El Capitan. POS.

Andre Marc

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Apple really stunk up the place with El Capitan. It is an unmitigated POS. Their WORST upgrade since
i have been a customer.

I waited to post as the issues I am having on my THREE MONTH old Mac Mini with maxed out memory and a SS drive
until I saw these issues seem to be pretty widespread. They are beyond annoying.

-After the computer has been asleep for some time, it DOES NOT recognize by admin password and I must power cylce
the computer to get back in.

-Cannot resize windows, except to minimize or to maximize.

-Skipping during playback with Audrivana and my iFi Nano iDSD DAC.

-Cannot resize certain programs like Audirvana or XLD.

Appple fix this crap, now.
 

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When I upgraded from Yosemite I could no longer play my digital files via the Playback Designs USB-X as the new USB driver caused havoc on many systens. I had to go back to Yosemite
 
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When I upgraded from Yosemite I could no longer play my digital files via the Playback Designs USB-X as the new USB driver caused havoc on many systens. I had to go back to Yosemite
I have 3 Macs all running El Capitan and have had zero problems. I like it a lot. Initial problem running Outlook but Microsoft quickly fixed it. But, I don't run any music service from my computers.
 

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When I upgraded from Yosemite I could no longer play my digital files via the Playback Designs USB-X as the new USB driver caused havoc on many systens. I had to go back to Yosemite
I don' t blame you. We tried to upgrade my wife's new Mac Mini, also with SS drive and plenty of memory exactly how we have done in the past with other OS upgrades and after 4 hours we got
one failed install after another. We finally just reinstalled Yosemite.

Shame on Apple.
 

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I thought Apple was perfect?:p
 

rbbert

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Both my iMacs, one of 2007 vintage, one 2014, actually seem to run faster with El Capitan than Yosemite. I don't use either to play music, though.

In the topic here about upgrading to Windows 10, SW our esteemed host make a comment to the effect that Macs didn't have the upgrade problems that seem to afflict every Windows OS upgrade. I mildly disagreed.
 

Andre Marc

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Both my iMacs, one of 2007 vintage, one 2014, actually seem to run faster with El Capitan than Yosemite. I don't use either to play music, though.

In the topic here about upgrading to Windows 10, SW our esteemed host make a comment to the effect that Macs didn't have the upgrade problems that seem to afflict every Windows OS upgrade. I mildly disagreed.
There were more wide spread problems with the El Capitan update than any other previous OS since I have been on mac, going on 5 years now.
 

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There were more wide spread problems with the El Capitan update than any other previous OS since I have been on mac, going on 5 years now.
Andre, unfortunately it would appear that since the loss of Steve J the basic mantra that he believed in..and that I think delineated his company from the likes of Microsoft, seems to have been
either forgotten or deliberately set aside. That mantra was that no product would be released until it was a completely working and solid platform. Steve J recognized that 'beta' testing product on
the consumer was a very bad idea....it remains to be seen if his successor understood that lesson.
 

Andre Marc

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Andre, unfortunately it would appear that since the loss of Steve J the basic mantra that he believed in..and that I think delineated his company from the likes of Microsoft, seems to have been
either forgotten or deliberately set aside. That mantra was that no product would be released until it was a completely working and solid platform. Steve J recognized that 'beta' testing product on
the consumer was a very bad idea....it remains to be seen if his successor understood that lesson.
I believe you are correct.
 
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I've been running 10.11 since the first beta release on my 2012 mac mini, iTunes, Audirvana, Dirac Live. No problems. I installed on a fresh partition, FWIW. I've upgraded about 12 different macs ranging from a 2008 iMac and two 2009 minis to some of the latest, and haven't had any significant issues. (The only one I recall being problematic was 10.6 to 10.7).

Nevertheless, I agree they seem to have lost their way. This program of dumbing down the interface, removing features from software, the disaster that is now iWork, etc., are all sources of consternation. I don't like how 10.11 and 10.10 look, but I accept that is a matter of (bad) taste, but as far as how the OS is functioning, I haven't encountered any of the problems others report.

One thing to be aware of is that third-party software that drops kernel extensions in /System/Library/Extensions instead of where it has always belonged, /Library/Extensions, will no longer work properly if at all.
 

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Latest iOS on the original iPad Retina also sucks. Four times now after I enter the 4 digit code the screen goes blank, and stays that way. Hours later when I try it again, it works. So far, it has worked okay on the first gen mini Retina.
 

Andre Marc

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I've been running 10.11 since the first beta release on my 2012 mac mini, iTunes, Audirvana, Dirac Live. No problems. I installed on a fresh partition, FWIW. I've upgraded about 12 different macs ranging from a 2008 iMac and two 2009 minis to some of the latest, and haven't had any significant issues. (The only one I recall being problematic was 10.6 to 10.7).

Nevertheless, I agree they seem to have lost their way. This program of dumbing down the interface, removing features from software, the disaster that is now iWork, etc., are all sources of consternation. I don't like how 10.11 and 10.10 look, but I accept that is a matter of (bad) taste, but as far as how the OS is functioning, I haven't encountered any of the problems others report.

One thing to be aware of is that third-party software that drops kernel extensions in /System/Library/Extensions instead of where it has always belonged, /Library/Extensions, will no longer work properly if at all.
Good points and thanks for the heads up on the third party software.
 

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Strange, I never paid attention the the memory thing with my 2011 Mac Mini, always had 2GB which used to seem huge. With each new OS, I guess the memory hog requirements increased. My mini has probably been operating on mainly virtual memory, and got slow and kind of weird after Yosemite. Talk about a Luddite.

With El Capitan, I finally recognized the memory problem and bumped it up to 9GB and suddenly I have an operating, quick computer again. I suppose I will get another 8GB memory card to get the full 16GB.

iMovie crapped out and I had to buy the upgrade to edit a vacation video. Also, my old Photoshop says I have to go back and install legacy Java 6 to get it to work again, if it will work at all.

Planned obsolescence and dropping of support seems to be the name of the game, they are just temporary appliances all.
 

Andre Marc

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Strange, I never paid attention the the memory thing with my 2011 Mac Mini, always had 2GB which used to seem huge. With each new OS, I guess the memory hog requirements increased. My mini has probably been operating on mainly virtual memory, and got slow and kind of weird after Yosemite. Talk about a Luddite.

With El Capitan, I finally recognized the memory problem and bumped it up to 9GB and suddenly I have an operating, quick computer again. I suppose I will get another 8GB memory card to get the full 16GB.

iMovie crapped out and I had to buy the upgrade to edit a vacation video. Also, my old Photoshop says I have to go back and install legacy Java 6 to get it to work again, if it will work at all.

Planned obsolescence and dropping of support seems to be the name of the game, they are just temporary appliances all.
I am almost certain the 2011 Mac Mini, which my wife has and I upgraded to 8 GB, is maxed out at 8. It cannot do 16 GB. As side note I bought the memory for 1/3 Apple was selling for, on Amazon, and it was s 5 minute install.

The newest models of Mac Mini do NOT have user installable memory or hard drives. I had to buy it with 16 GB and a SSD drive PRE installed.

Why??? it is is good for Apple. So they can ream on you on the upgrades. And the bull **** they feed their customers is that is in the name of improved form factor. Kiss my ass.
 

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