$5K to $12K stand mount speaker recommends

thedudeabides

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Hi all,

Am moving and looking at size downsizing from my MBL 116's.

The Joseph Audio Pulsar ($7K) looks quite intriguing.

Will likely mate with a similar performing (quick, tuneful) sub.

Medium size room max. Needs to "scale" well regarding image size and play reasonably loud (95db peaks +/-) with all musical genres.

Any ideas (including speaker / sub) combos appreciated.

Thanks in advance for your suggestions.

Gordon
 

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Hi all,

Am moving and looking at size downsizing from my MBL 116's.

The Joseph Audio Pulsar ($7K) looks quite intriguing.

Will likely mate with a similar performing (quick, tuneful) sub.

Medium size room max. Needs to "scale" well regarding image size and play reasonably loud (95db peaks +/-) with all musical genres.

Any ideas (including speaker / sub) combos appreciated.

Thanks in advance for your suggestions.

Gordon
What about the MBL 120 (126?) MSRP is $17K but some haggling or 2nd hand could place it within your budget... Haven't heard but you would stay within the family sound...
 

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Get the Heco direkt from Germany for 2700 euro, or their bigger brother Dreiklang. They are extremely satisfying speakers until you decide to upgrade to dream speakers
 

thedudeabides

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What about the MBL 120 (126?) MSRP is $17K but some haggling or 2nd hand could place it within your budget... Haven't heard but you would stay within the family sound...
Hi Frantz,

You are correct. I've already contacted Jeremy at MBL to begin the search. This is a very likely scenario.

Thanks for the input.

Best.
 
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TAD Micro Evolution 1 were amazing at Axpona
Another vote for the TAD ME1s, and CR1s if you can find them used close to this price range.

Legacy Audio Caliber HD with the Wavelet processor is also a top contender for kick-ass speaker in this price range
 

wisnon

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Too cheap?

The Heil Aulos Bookshelf speaker:
http://www.precide.ch/test/Heil/f_aulos BS_stereoprestigeimage 55.pdf
http://www.precide.ch/test/Heil/d_Aulos_Bookshelf_HE_2010.pdf
http://www.precide.ch/test/Heil/e_AV MAX_India 2013_Heil AMT Aulos_w_note.pdf

http://www.precide.ch/eng/eheil/eheil.htm

IIRC, the Bookshelf speaker costs about 2,300 euros and the subwoofer stand is 1,500euros. Total price will be cheaper than the Harbeths, who prices went up a lot some 15 years ago when the Americans discovered them and increased the demand.
 
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The Wilson Benesch Vertex monitors come bolted to integral stands and are superb, and their current US retail is I believe around $9K depending on selected finish. Being part of their top reference level Geometry series, they use the same custom made proprietary drivers as many of their much more expensive models. I find their performance to be of reference caliber within their bass extension limitations, and at their price offer an exceptional value in the high end market. Definitely worthy of your consideration if you have the opportunity for an audition!
 

caesar

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Dude,
I would second Frantz's suggestion of the smaller MBL. Once you get used to that 3D effect, almost everything is a let down. But I also think you may be better off trading your pass amp for the new mbl noble line electronics, which are fantastic despite being class d. They have a fabulous integrated or separates also. Everyone at Axpona was talking about how good mbl sounded with class d - didn't lose a thing! Another option is to find a used symphonic line Kraft. I use 4 of those monos on my mbl 101, for the ultimate in sonic bliss.

If you want stand-mounted speakers, you may (if you are lucky!) find b&w silver signatures, which are under $5k. Slap on a quality tube amp, like CAT, or again used symphonic line Kraft and your system will destroy 80% of the big megabuck systems out there.

Another great option is magico mini or smaller vivids. Again, If you use the above amp suggestions to submit the speakers, it will be awesome. (Microstrip has had both silver digs and magico mini, so I hope he can chime with the differences).

Good luck!
 

thedudeabides

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RE: MBL 120. Thanks Caesar.

Have you or anyone heard?

Need a sub or are these good to the mid / upper 30's.

To all, you all are an amazing source of information.

Thank you so much. :D

Gordon
 

caesar

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RE: MBL 120. Thanks Caesar.

Have you or anyone heard?

Need a sub or are these good to the mid / upper 30's.

To all, you all are an amazing source of information.

Thank you so much. :D

Gordon
Yes, I have. And Neil grader of tas has a well-written review of 120s you can search for on Google that nicely captures the experience.

If set up properly, you don't "need" subs. It's always a very nice to have - but after you get the right electronics in place. Without setup, good amp, and source, MBL is not worth it - because it's so transparent to music. So I would spend cash there first.

Also, I just saw on audiogon someone is selling a brand new open-box Noble line integrated amp at a decent discount. Personally, I would snatch that right away - and sell it without much loss, if doesn't work out. If you are serious about 120s, it's a no brainer. Most people don't realize how good these new Noble electronics are, but after axpona and after Atkinson's review in upcoming stereophile, the information will be out there. The 120s with noble electronics will be even better than what Gader is raving about.
 

thedudeabides

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caesar,

I did read the TAS review.

You're convinced that the Corona integrated will outperform my CJ ET5 - Pass Labs X250.5 pre / amp combo? :confused:

Thanks again for the input and recommends.
 

FrantzM

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caesar,

I did read the TAS review.

You're convinced that the Corona integrated will outperform my CJ ET5 - Pass Labs X250.5 pre / amp combo? :confused:

Thanks again for the input and recommends.
Don't know enough about the Noble line to comment on its sound... I wouldn't however go on a forklift change. I would get adivse you keep your electronics get the 120 in your room if possible and work you way to a pair of decent subs.. No!! They don't need to be the baddest and yuuuuggest subs.. a pair of JL Audio F112 or SVS SB-13 Ultra or Rythmik or ... will make a world of difference in any system if proper care is taken in the integration, that means the use of DSP and EQ... SOmething many audiophiles take as the Devil incarnate. Our hobby is full of myths and two of those are the impossibility of integrating subs with speakers of distinction and that DSP is universally bad. The reality is that speakers with decent bottom end are paradoxically the better candidates for integration with multiple subs... From what the reviews say the 120 has a good bottom end but nothing that would fool you in thinking you are listening to its bigger brothers. Multiple subs properly integrated will take the combos closer to the bigger models perhaps with even better low end .. ;)
 

caesar

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caesar,

I did read the TAS review.

You're convinced that the Corona integrated will outperform my CJ ET5 - Pass Labs X250.5 pre / amp combo? :confused:

Thanks again for the input and recommends.
Hi Dude,

Yes, I do. And Frantz makes great points as well - intellectual diversity is very valuable. You will definitely be taking a risk with a sound different than what you are used to, let alone more money. But again, people waiting to get a seat in the MBL room at the shows don't complain about any deficiency in the sound of the Noble line...

The reason for my suggestion is that in reality it's very difficult to get the MBL to sound "right" with non-mbl electronics. The few brands who are successful have a long history of doing it. Symphonic line kraft, also a german brand, has a long history as a substitute for mbl amps. CAT is another, as the designer's amps and preamps have been used with mbl since the '80s.

I think the new Noble line electronics are as good or better than the 8-10 year MBL old Reference electronics. The MBL reference preamp currently retails at $25-30k. You may find it used for half of that, but that's the price of the entire integrated amp(!), which will also include an amplifier section that will provide much more current to the speaker, and grip it better, than your Pass for greater dynamic impact, and will squeeze every musical nuance / last bit of emotion of whatever recording you play.

Good Luck!
 

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MtnHam

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