Shocking news about the Roseanne TV Show

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Al M.

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The division in our society today is tragic. Good, moral people on both sides being manipulated by non-truths concocted from bad context and flat out lies. IMO, possibly the worst example of this is the constant claims by the left that (often) conservatives are racists, a statement that is patently absurd on its face and evil of the highest proportion. It is an intentional strategic manipulation employed by the left to divide, seek capitulation, and achieve empowerment and the worst part of this shameful ploy, it has made make race relations much worse not better. More and more I see false claims of bigotry begetting real bigotry among otherwise good but week people in our society because they are fed up with constantly being falsely accused of this extreme form of evil. It is truly sad.

That said, what Rosanne did was shameful and deserves abject condemnation. ABC has every right to respond on moral, commercial or any other grounds they see fit.

However, returning back to my initial point, I find the post below some of the most offensive I have seen on this forum or maybe any of the forums I frequent. It is a classic case of the type of extremely harmful and inaccurate bias that is leading to the demise of our great society. I refuse to believe that most of those making such absurd comments about millions of fellow Americans are doing it out of ignorance but rather are knowing foot soldiers in what is essentially a civil war where non-truths and manipulation are the arsenal of choice. I fear bad things are on the horizon.

Paul, given that you are not a racist, there is nothing in my posts for you to be offended by.

But Trump's racism is a well-documented fact (an example has been given). And so is support for his racism.
 

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..so if you’re a conservative you are a racist? Gee thanks..

That is not what I said. There are many conservatives who are not racists. And again, as an economic perspective I welcome conservatism, even though by far I do not share all conservative economic views. But some I do share.
 

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You have no idea what my political vies are and I am not a yank. I am however, not fooled by any of these politicians, as I am satisfied that they all have their agendas.

You are NOT a conservative from what I have seen you post here.

I am also now questioning your morality. There is no reason to even bring up anything else when we have a clear case of debasement of another HUMAN BEING by a warped low life like Roseanne. If some one called your buddy Trump something akin to some kind of Primate, would you regard that as appropriate? I would not!

Well said. I have no clue how this turned political. It should have been a unified damnation of one human being's horrible comments about another.
 

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what's so Wow ? That is all the liberals got...politics of division and the inability to be fiscally responsible. Wake up and smell the coffee !

You realize that Milton Freidman died a broken man when Bush bankrupted the Treasury on stupid war? All those years fearing Democrats when its was the Reps who betrayed him!
Wasnt it slick Bill Clinton who ran a surplus?

Look, all the politivcians run their own game, not the people's game.
 

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Let's just be clear. You support a person who lies on a daily basis. He lies about stupid stuff (most attended inauguration) and he lies about important stuff. Every day. Every single time he speaks he lies. He is also the person who claimed in Charlottesville that "there were good people on both sides" which included people shouting "Jews will not replace us" and others carrying KKK-like torches. His own party called him out on it.

He is also the person who mocked a disabled reporter. He is also the person who made comments about Megyn Kelly's period.

You and I have different values.

If you don't think he tries to divide people on a daily basis you either aren't paying attention or you are choosing to ignore it. But he does, which debunks your comment that only liberals do this.

As compared to the “sanctimonious” politicians you obviously support that spew division and claim racism with every comment; and looked the other way on rape and abuse of woman until they HAD to acknowledge it as it was so overt.

You want to pick instances of commentary from trump. I don’t have enough space to write the hateful statements of Obama or the real lies that the same made regarding his political adversaries as well as to the electorate on every single issue.

Lies: can we start with fast & furious, IRS, Benghazi, Obamacare, 800 billion shovel ready jobs, on and on and on.

If you are so concerned about us Jews maybe you should write a letter to Obama and asked why he supported the enemies of Israel till his last days in office with the Iran deal, Muslim brotherhood, throwing Israel under the bus at the UN and giving Palestinian terrorists 500 million bucks on his last day in office.

Pretty laughable. Yup thank God we have different values.
 

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Look, all the politivcians run their own game, not the people's game.

You are hitting all cylinders. When will people realize that there is no difference between a left and right politician. They both have the same goal - increasing their own wealth and power at the expense of the people. And they do this by dividing the people so they don't ban together to threaten them. They are succeeding mightily.
 

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Yup. As I said, unfortunately today's conservatism often equals racism, rather than a plain ole fashioned economic stance. I'd have no problem with the latter.

I am not easily offended, but Al, this comment is outrageous. Why is everything about politics with some people? This thread is about Roseanne's comment.
 

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Am I defending her? Every one of my posts has said she made a racist comment and deserved to be fired if deemed appropriate by her employer. I have no issue with what ABC did.

Maybe ESPN (another Disney subsidiary) should invoke their anti-Racist policies equally with Jamele Hill as they did with Curt Schilling the latter making much less offensive comments than Hill.

Your propagandist comments are typical Progressive manipulation of what me, a Conservative stated, which was anything but what you claim which is how you guys work.

The point I make is the lefts “selective morality” as you vision of the anointed choose what is or is not racist, misogynistic, biased, Islamophobic, anti-Semitic, homophobic and whatever else you want to throw in there.

Yes, by your very ackward deflections you ARE defending her. You make race blind you...rather than focus on the fact that she debased a fellow human being! There is only one race...the HUMAN race. We ought not to be doing that to our own. Go debase mosquitos and microbes, our true "enemies" if you really want a target. Attack people on their actions and lack of logic in their viewpoints, but seeking to dehumanize them is ...well...perverse.
 

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You realize that Milton Freidman died a broken man when Bush bankrupted the Treasury on stupid war? All those years fearing Democrats when its was the Reps who betrayed him!
Wasnt it slick Bill Clinton who ran a surplus?

Look, all the politivcians run their own game, not the people's game.

Yup slick Willy did indeed run a balloon surplus which was crashing as Bush took office. Nasdaq down from 5100 to 3500 by ignauration day on its way to below a 1000 and same with DOW which only lost 40% by comparison all the result of a bubble economy under Clinton.

Unlike you I give as much blame to moron RINOs on the bubble. That bubble was worse than any even the housing/financial crisis but not as far reaching because it was not as leveraged.

The point is don’t give Slick Willy so much credit as his house of cards was crumbling by the time Bush took office and kept on going.
 

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As compared to the “sanctimonious” politicians you obviously support that spew division and claim racism with every comment; and looked the other way on rape and abuse of woman until they HAD to acknowledge it as it was so overt.

You want to pick instances of commentary from trump. I don’t have enough space to write the hateful statements of Obama or the real lies that the same made regarding his political adversaries as well as to the electorate on every single issue.

Lies: can we start with fast & furious, IRS, Benghazi, Obamacare, 800 billion shovel ready jobs, on and on and on.

If you are so concerned about us Jews maybe you should write a letter to Obama and asked why he supported the enemies of Israel till his last days in office with the Iran deal, Muslim brotherhood, throwing Israel under the bus at the UN and giving Palestinian terrorists 500 million bucks on his last day in office.

Pretty laughable. Yup thank God we have different values.

Maybe you should stop watching Fox News.

I agree with Obama's view on Israel. They are doing everything they can to prevent a solution there. Do not try to tell me what my views of Jews should be. I know an anti-Semite when I see one and he is not one.

But you have no idea if I liked Obama or not. You keep making assumptions that you have no support for.

Benghazi? Well, you lost all credibility there. How many of our embassy people were killed when GWB was president and how many investigations followed?

Yes, we do have different values. I value truth and honesty. How about you?
 

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You are hitting all cylinders. When will people realize that there is no difference between a left and right politician. They both have the same goal - increasing their own wealth and power at the expense of the people. And they do this by dividing the people so they don't ban together to threaten them. They are succeeding mightily.

People are just not clever or evolved enuff to figure out the (to us) obvious shell game. All this left vs right nonsense.

Yanks dont even know what left is. The UK Tories (conservatives) would be regarded as far left in the US now. Bernie Sanders is virtually regarded as a Communist in the US and he would be dead center in Europe.

Switzerland would be regarded as Socialist in the US when in reality its is from being so. Perspective is lost in the US as the society has been dumbed down and free thinking is not encouraged!
 

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Yes, by your very ackward deflections you ARE defending her. You make race blind you...rather than focus on the fact that she debased a fellow human being! There is only one race...the HUMAN race. We ought not to be doing that to our own. Go debase mosquitos and microbes, our true "enemies" if you really want a target. Attack people on their actions and lack of logic in their viewpoints, but seeking to dehumanize them is ...well...perverse.

You are a good little propagandist and accusing me in your defamatory and egregious way of the typical Progressive scam of calling Conservatives racists.

Pretty. despicable.

You have learned your leftist teachings well
 

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I am not easily offended, but Al, this comment is outrageous. Why is everything about politics with some people? This thread is about Roseanne's comment.

I'll repeat what I said above, 15 minutes ago: There are many conservatives who are not racists.

And, I said often, not always. And maybe "equals" was a too strong word. For this I apologize.
 

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People are just not clever or evolved enuff to figure out the (to us) obvious shell game. All this left vs right nonsense.

Yanks dont even know what left is. The UK Tories (conservatives) would be regarded as far left in the US now. Bernie Sanders is virtually regarded as a Communist in the US and he would be dead center in Europe.

Switzerland would be regarded as Socialist in the US when in reality its is from being so. Perspective is lost in the US as the society has been dumbed down and free thinking is not encouraged!

Free thinking is not encouraged or allowed on our college campuses. It’s Progressive dogma or nothing.

The so called “tolerant and freedom of choice” is only tolerant of those that agree with their intolerance.

Laughable.
 

Al M.

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People are just not clever or evolved enuff to figure out the (to us) obvious shell game. All this left vs right nonsense.

Yanks dont even know what left is. The UK Tories (conservatives) would be regarded as far left in the US now. Bernie Sanders is virtually regarded as a Communist in the US and he would be dead center in Europe.

Switzerland would be regarded as Socialist in the US when in reality its is from being so. Perspective is lost in the US as the society has been dumbed down and free thinking is not encouraged!

Indeed, as an Austrian friend with outspoken right-ward leanings told me, "the American Democrats are far more centrist than our liberals here, and American conservatives these days are far more hard right than conservatives here."
 

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People are just not clever or evolved enuff to figure out the (to us) obvious shell game. All this left vs right nonsense.

Yanks dont even know what left is. The UK Tories (conservatives) would be regarded as far left in the US now. Bernie Sanders is virtually regarded as a Communist in the US and he would be dead center in Europe.

Switzerland would be regarded as Socialist in the US when in reality its is from being so. Perspective is lost in the US as the society has been dumbed down and free thinking is not encouraged!

We are a Constitutional Republic with no semblance to those countries you cite.

No comparison to terminology among the different countries
 

wisnon

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Yup slick Willy did indeed run a balloon surplus which was crashing as Bush took office. Nasdaq down from 5100 to 3500 by ignauration day on its way to below a 1000 and same with DOW which only lost 40% by comparison all the result of a bubble economy under Clinton.

Unlike you I give as much blame to moron RINOs on the bubble. That bubble was worse than any even the housing/financial crisis but not as far reaching because it was not as leveraged.

The point is don’t give Slick Willy so much credit as his house of cards was crumbling by the time Bush took office and kept on going.
You think I dont know the score? I was not giving credit, I was throwing your facile argument back at you.

You dare to bring BS stock market levels to me? You are a medic, stay out of my turf. I know exactly what has been going on. I also know the tech bubble was the real scam and I know all the shake down.

Only a fool watches stock market levels when all these are "controlled" zones.

Now, I used strong language here, but dont take it personally, as it really is not meant to be so taken. I want to display emphasis!!!!
 

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Guess I am the culprit for starting this thread merely for the information of her comment. I left to do a few errands and this thread has blossomed into 12pages and 116 posts. I'm sure you'll all agree this thread is best served by being closed. Thanks for understanding
 

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I am sorry I didn’t see this thread until now. If I had, I would have closed it myself!

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Thank you, Steve, for closing this thread. :)
 
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