Kronos reference analogue source

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Even KRONOS turntable was succeed in the HIGH END market for years but now it just complete for REFERENCE ANALOGUE SOURCE . We do Strongly recommend for all KRONOS's owner, as you never know exactly how the true KRONOS sound until this day :):):)
 

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Ron Resnick

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What are the technical details of the Kronos phono stage?

Why do you believe this phono stage is better for the Kronos turntable than other companies’ phono stages?
 

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I did owned the Kronos Pro for 6 months and i have few friends still owning it and for me it is most popular and overrated Highend TT.
All the Praise and good reviews i have read i couldn't hear back..
 

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I did owned the Kronos Pro for 6 months and i have few friends still owning it and for me it is most popular and overrated Highend TT.
All the Praise and good reviews i have read i couldn't hear back..

So you don't like it?
 

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awsmone

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I think DDK pointed out that different turntables have different sound qualities , these may not appeal to a particular listener

Also dialling in a turntable to a system can take some effort

I watched Lois dial in his turntable and get wonderful sound from a very modest system

We then went to a system costing 10 times as much, and it took a lot of effort , and eventually we had to change some parameters against what we though would work best to get it to sing, before that the system sounded very ordinary

In the end it’s all a matter of taste,

I don’t own a Kronos, but have spent a lot of time listening to them in four different systems, and two with Lois, that he set up
 

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I think DDK pointed out that different turntables have different sound qualities , these may not appeal to a particular listener

Also dialling in a turntable to a system can take some effort

I watched Lois dial in his turntable and get wonderful sound from a very modest system

We then went to a system costing 10 times as much, and it took a lot of effort , and eventually we had to change some parameters against what we though would work best to get it to sing, before that the system sounded very ordinary

In the end it’s all a matter of taste,

I don’t own a Kronos, but have spent a lot of time listening to them in four different systems, and two with Lois, that he set up

Agreed it takes work. Agreed it is not always what you think. Wondering, however, what adjustments you are referring to when you say "had to change some parameters against what we though would work best to get it to sing, before that the system sounded very ordinary". Just curious...
 

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Agreed it takes work. Agreed it is not always what you think. Wondering, however, what adjustments you are referring to when you say "had to change some parameters against what we though would work best to get it to sing, before that the system sounded very ordinary". Just curious...

We had two phonos an Io Aesthetix and Soulution 755

Lois pretty much always uses the same cartridge(ZYX) and was somewhat insistent on the exact loading he wanted, but in the Soulution which he preferred to the Io( it was an all Soulution system other than the Io) the loading he wanted did not sound good, we eventually unloaded it a lot, to get it to get sound good. This surprising him quite a lot.
 

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Even KRONOS turntable was succeed in the HIGH END market for years but now it just complete for REFERENCE ANALOGUE SOURCE . We do Strongly recommend for all KRONOS's owner, as you never know exactly how the true KRONOS sound until this day :):):)

From the rear panel, this has the flexibility to connect to two tonearms?
 

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Half of all turntable preference is because of the error in belief that the platter can be naked without negative consequences. People are choosing which negative consequence they like the most. Tastes will vary widely on the character from them. And the whole stereo is tuned to that choice often in small parts.
 

boonyarat

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Ready enjoy listening and have fun together. The new Reference Tube Phono from KRONOS sound very very good as we never heard before and we know exactly it's perfect with KRONOS ANALOGUE SYSTEM for sure , strongly recommend :):):)
 

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Half of all turntable preference is because of the error in belief that the platter can be naked without negative consequences. People are choosing which negative consequence they like the most. Tastes will vary widely on the character from them. And the whole stereo is tuned to that choice often in small parts.

What do you mean by naked platter and negative consequences? Are you meaning that a mat is necessary in order to avoid bad sound?
 

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What do you mean by naked platter and negative consequences? Are you meaning that a mat is necessary in order to avoid bad sound?

Maybe not bad sound, but characterized sound, yes. The stylus generates it's own SPL that plays down through the vinyl. If that sound reflects, it has an affect on the overall sound. Putting a ring and clamp on it could reduce the affect some, but I personally have thought that perhaps too much pressure on vinyl can have negative effects. I need to test that more. The TechDAS uses suction which is similar to what a ring and clamp would do for coupling the record to the table and lowering all of the frequencies that are trying to pass through the vinyl.

So unlike most around here, I do prefer a mat of materials that absorb instead of reflect. My other criteria is that the LP won't slip. I don't use weights or anything to keep mine in place, and as above am unsure if I think they're a benefit.
 

lordcloud

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Maybe not bad sound, but characterized sound, yes. The stylus generates it's own SPL that plays down through the vinyl. If that sound reflects, it has an affect on the overall sound. Putting a ring and clamp on it could reduce the affect some, but I personally have thought that perhaps too much pressure on vinyl can have negative effects. I need to test that more. The TechDAS uses suction which is similar to what a ring and clamp would do for coupling the record to the table and lowering all of the frequencies that are trying to pass through the vinyl.

So unlike most around here, I do prefer a mat of materials that absorb instead of reflect. My other criteria is that the LP won't slip. I don't use weights or anything to keep mine in place, and as above am unsure if I think they're a benefit.

Very interesting. Might I ask what mat you use, or what type of mats you prefer?

I know many people seem to like the Micro Seiki type mats, but I'm assuming you do not.
 

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Very interesting. Might I ask what mat you use, or what type of mats you prefer?

I know many people seem to like the Micro Seiki type mats, but I'm assuming you do not.

Currently I'm using a double system. It's a somewhat thick rubber one from JVC (5-6mm but not solid), and a layer of cork on top. The rubber prevents the cork from moving, but perhaps has other attributes that help. My stand isn't as weighted as would be preferred, so the rubber may benefit me more than others. I've played around with felt and a Herbies in the mix with cork and rubber mats from other tables. The Herbies was thick enough to fully decouple according to the website. No other combination has worked right for me besides the cork on top of rubber. By comparison the Herbies that is like $70 or so, sounds awful, but it beat felt/bare metal.

I've heard good things about leather, and Jack on here likes a carbofiber one that is mean to turn the acoustic energy into heat (I think he carefully applies double sided tape so it won't slip, very important no slipping).

You could mimic me with either this new mat or maybe this sony one (I looked at all of eBay, didn't find my exact one), and finish it with a cork top (mine is like 3mm or so, not very thick). My cork mat is trimmed back so the edge of the lp that's slightly thick isn't on it.

My whole point of playing with different stuff was to find something that could absorb the acoustic energy on the underside without any slipping. It just so happened that a decoupling element was still needed as far as I can tell.
 

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My new setup with KRONOS ANALOGUE SYSTEM :)
 

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Currently I'm using a double system. It's a somewhat thick rubber one from JVC (5-6mm but not solid), and a layer of cork on top. The rubber prevents the cork from moving, but perhaps has other attributes that help. My stand isn't as weighted as would be preferred, so the rubber may benefit me more than others. I've played around with felt and a Herbies in the mix with cork and rubber mats from other tables. The Herbies was thick enough to fully decouple according to the website. No other combination has worked right for me besides the cork on top of rubber. By comparison the Herbies that is like $70 or so, sounds awful, but it beat felt/bare metal.

I've heard good things about leather, and Jack on here likes a carbofiber one that is mean to turn the acoustic energy into heat (I think he carefully applies double sided tape so it won't slip, very important no slipping).

You could mimic me with either this new mat or maybe this sony one (I looked at all of eBay, didn't find my exact one), and finish it with a cork top (mine is like 3mm or so, not very thick). My cork mat is trimmed back so the edge of the lp that's slightly thick isn't on it.

My whole point of playing with different stuff was to find something that could absorb the acoustic energy on the underside without any slipping. It just so happened that a decoupling element was still needed as far as I can tell.

Micro Seiki CU-180. Copper turntable platter mat - works a treat and @ 1.8kg's will never slip.
 

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