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    Schroeder, Durand Talea II, and Spiral Groove Centroid

    Hi all, looking at tonearms, Schroeder seems to be most revered arm on various forums. Plus he spends his time in the Western Electric room, loves idlers, classical, etc.

    On Audiogon in an old thread you will find jazdoc, dmailer, and Doug Deacon (a long time champion of Zyx and Schroeder) preferring Durand Talea II to Schroeder reference, after eulogizing the Schroeder for many years, and Durand is a classical guy too.

    Schroeder LT possibly better than the Reference.

    And jfrech moved from LT to Spiral Groove Centroid.

    Durand Talea II used, and Centroid, are cheaper.

    Difficult for most to compare these arms, I guess.

    So if anyone has had compares of these with other arms, thoughts welcome. If you don't want to post negative experiences, please PM.
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    I know it may sound silly, but I don't like unipivots so while Durand was recommended by several people I opted to stick with a gimbaled Brinkmann (Kuzma was my other alternative).

    Obviously MikeL has experience with these arms and prefers the Durand. Albert Porter has had most of these arms and is a Kuzma guy - I assume you have read this:

    http://positive-feedback.com/reviews...point-tonearm/

    Ultimately at this level, I'm afraid some trial and error is probably required.

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    Wow nice article, thanks, hadn't read that
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    Quote Originally Posted by bonzo75 View Post
    Wow nice article, thanks, hadn't read that
    Hopefully you can hear Albert's room in Dallas sometime - its certainly one of the best in the US, and non-dedicated. With your affinity for vintage TTs, he'd be a great source of info for you.

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    Tough to get much on the Spiral Groove Centroid. I have one and have been very satisfied but I have not compared to the other arms you listed. I think If you read the patent granted to Sprial Groove you at least get a sense of the approach to a unipivot with all of the strengths and most of the difficulties being remedied.

    No doubt the other arms are fine products. Jfrench is in the best position to discuss at least two of the arms.

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    The LT is a special arm. But so is the Centroid. The LT takes some set up and a very stable rack. My Grand Prix Audio Rack has some movement to it. Part of the racks design. The LT didn't like how it swayed, it excited the 2 bearings and some wobbling. A pivoted arm like a Tri Planar or Centroid, the pivot moves with the sway of the rack and no issues at all.

    The Centroid gives me the quietest, most textures, playback I've had to date. Yes you can hear the LT on the inner and outer groves doing a bit better job.

    The Thales Simplicity has me wondering right now. Curious about it. I'll likely upgrade my tt to the 2.0 spec first however...
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    Interesting point regarding the swaying. Did you such over when you had the atlas? Or did you try the Allaertz as well in both
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    Maybe that's why the Doehmann uses the captive bearing and not the LT because the TT sways on its integrated minus K platform
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    Quote Originally Posted by jfrech View Post
    The LT is a special arm. But so is the Centroid. The LT takes some set up and a very stable rack. My Grand Prix Audio Rack has some movement to it. Part of the racks design. The LT didn't like how it swayed, it excited the 2 bearings and some wobbling. A pivoted arm like a Tri Planar or Centroid, the pivot moves with the sway of the rack and no issues at all.

    The Centroid gives me the quietest, most textures, playback I've had to date. Yes you can hear the LT on the inner and outer groves doing a bit better job.

    The Thales Simplicity has me wondering right now. Curious about it. I'll likely upgrade my tt to the 2.0 spec first however...
    Very interesting and thanks for explaining why you changed arms.

    imo the Thales Simplicity II is very special and sounds superb on both my belt drive TW Acustic and DD technics SP10 mk3. in fact I will probably end up buying a 2nd Thales arm so one can be on each table.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bonzo75 View Post
    Interesting point regarding the swaying. Did you such over when you had the atlas? Or did you try the Allaertz as well in both
    I had the Atlas and Allerts in the LT over time. Both were excellent. I had the Allaerts in the Centroid to start and since moved up to the Goldfinger Statement...
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