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    Quote Originally Posted by bonzo75 View Post
    In Rome, at the place of a vintage turn table restorer who is manufacturing his own TT called Blackstone. He uses these speakers with class A 200 w Italian amps called AM audio. They have good bass and dynamics, open, play most music well. At 4500 Euro tough to go wrong, and easy to listen to, for 6 hours a day. I am not exactly sure how much space they need behind, as though he had space from the wall he had a big cupboard half their height (that he used as a rack) directly behind them
    just looked up the dimensions. unfortunately too large for my needs. I do see a resemblance to some Legacy Audio speakers. Thanks for the hint, though.
    Source: SBT w/ EDO and Welborne Labs PSU, Oppo '103-D', Resolution Audio 'Cantata'
    Amplification: Gryphon 'Diablo'
    Speakers: Evolution Acoustics 'MMMicroOne'
    Cables: Power: Douglas Cables 'Mirage' (2x) & 'Silver Purple', ASI 'Liveline' (w/ Oyaide 004/079); Digital: LH 'Lightspeed' USB, Lifatec Silflex toslink; IC: DC 'Hair Angel' XLR; Speaker: Crystal Cable 'Standard'
    Acessories: Sistrum SP-1, Furutech GTX-D (g), Hifi-Tuning Supreme Fuse (Cantata), MIT Z Duplex Super, Equitech Balanced Power

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    Quote Originally Posted by christoph View Post
    Hi Andre

    What about the Heil Kithara?
    Did this not pan out the way you wanted?
    I reached out three times to the gentleman, but unfortunately didn't hear back, so that didn't work out.
    Source: SBT w/ EDO and Welborne Labs PSU, Oppo '103-D', Resolution Audio 'Cantata'
    Amplification: Gryphon 'Diablo'
    Speakers: Evolution Acoustics 'MMMicroOne'
    Cables: Power: Douglas Cables 'Mirage' (2x) & 'Silver Purple', ASI 'Liveline' (w/ Oyaide 004/079); Digital: LH 'Lightspeed' USB, Lifatec Silflex toslink; IC: DC 'Hair Angel' XLR; Speaker: Crystal Cable 'Standard'
    Acessories: Sistrum SP-1, Furutech GTX-D (g), Hifi-Tuning Supreme Fuse (Cantata), MIT Z Duplex Super, Equitech Balanced Power

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    Pity.
    I would say we tried a lot but now it has to be the Duettas

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    Quote Originally Posted by reverendo View Post
    just looked up the dimensions. unfortunately too large for my needs. I do see a resemblance to some Legacy Audio speakers. Thanks for the hint, though.
    Bill is really liking his Heco direkt
    Audition recordings: Zero Distortion Link; Reference Components: Zero Distortion Link; Own: Lampi GG One-day-to-get: Apogee Scintilla, or a horn (with Tenor 75 OTL ), Preamp to be fit in to suit the gain and drive the power amp. Analog: TBD

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    Andre, Bill has liked the Heco so much he gave up the focal maestro utopia and used that money for an SME 30/2.

    So Heco has now displaced a raidho and a focal. If you are on a budget and space constraint, you are going to find bearing these tough
    Audition recordings: Zero Distortion Link; Reference Components: Zero Distortion Link; Own: Lampi GG One-day-to-get: Apogee Scintilla, or a horn (with Tenor 75 OTL ), Preamp to be fit in to suit the gain and drive the power amp. Analog: TBD

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    Quote Originally Posted by bonzo75 View Post
    Andre, Bill has liked the Heco so much he gave up the focal maestro utopia and used that money for an SME 30/2.

    So Heco has now displaced a raidho and a focal. If you are on a budget and space constraint, you are going to find bearing these tough
    If you don't first extract the information from the groove there is no chance that it will reach the speaker.
    My system link on WBF: http://www.whatsbestforum.com/showth...-Sublime-Sound
    Analog: SME 30/12, SME V-12, My Sonic Labs Signature Gold, AirTight Supreme, VDH Colibri Platinum, MINT LP protractor
    Electronics: Pass Labs XA160.5 amp, XP-22 preamp, XP-25 phono, Cables: Transparent REF XL MM2,
    Speakers: Magico Q3, Magico Mini II, Essentials: Jim Smith RoomPlay, 3 Vibraplanes, Dedicated circuits

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterA View Post
    If you don't first extract the information from the groove there is no chance that it will reach the speaker.
    And if speakers of that size don't have a concert hall room, there is no point extracting any information.

    He already had kuzma stabi ref, triplanar, and aesthetix io signature with Lyra kleos.
    Audition recordings: Zero Distortion Link; Reference Components: Zero Distortion Link; Own: Lampi GG One-day-to-get: Apogee Scintilla, or a horn (with Tenor 75 OTL ), Preamp to be fit in to suit the gain and drive the power amp. Analog: TBD

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    Quote Originally Posted by bonzo75 View Post
    And if speakers of that size don't have a concert hall room, there is no point extracting any information.

    He already had kuzma stabi ref, triplanar, and aesthetix io signature with Lyra kleos.
    Yes, but tell that to Steve Williams and to Michael Fremer who both don't have concert hall sized rooms and very good analog source equipment. I'm not familiar with Bill's room or speakers. I was simply suggesting a reason he decided to prioritize a turntable upgrade over speakers at this time. Of course it is a balance and we all may approach it differently. I think the source and the speaker/room match are two areas of a system that can be thought of somewhat independently. He must have liked something about the new turntable enough to do the upgrade.
    My system link on WBF: http://www.whatsbestforum.com/showth...-Sublime-Sound
    Analog: SME 30/12, SME V-12, My Sonic Labs Signature Gold, AirTight Supreme, VDH Colibri Platinum, MINT LP protractor
    Electronics: Pass Labs XA160.5 amp, XP-22 preamp, XP-25 phono, Cables: Transparent REF XL MM2,
    Speakers: Magico Q3, Magico Mini II, Essentials: Jim Smith RoomPlay, 3 Vibraplanes, Dedicated circuits

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterA View Post
    Yes, but tell that to Steve Williams and to Michael Fremer who both don't have concert hall sized rooms and very good analog source equipment. I'm not familiar with Bill's room or speakers. I was simply suggesting a reason he decided to prioritize a turntable upgrade over speakers at this time. Of course it is a balance and we all may approach it differently. I think the source and the speaker/room match are two areas of a system that can be thought of somewhat independently. He must have liked something about the new turntable enough to do the upgrade.
    He loves the SME. Point is, he got the Heco for a second system, and realized you get a "whole" sound more through such speakers into such rooms, so he decided to sell off the bigger ones and get SME.

    Andre is looking for a speaker at a budget and which is flexible with room sizes as he keeps moving.

    As for Steve's and MF's room these are custom built with loads of treatment. Custom build is rare in the UK, if at all.
    Audition recordings: Zero Distortion Link; Reference Components: Zero Distortion Link; Own: Lampi GG One-day-to-get: Apogee Scintilla, or a horn (with Tenor 75 OTL ), Preamp to be fit in to suit the gain and drive the power amp. Analog: TBD

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    update

    It's been a long time that I haven't posted here and in the meantime I was able to move and, therefore, know a little better what my limitations are regarding placement.
    The speakers will be set up on the short wall of our living room which is 17ft x 21ft x 11ft (sloped), which will be used roughly 2/3 for the A/V setup. Unfortunately I cannot pull the speakers out very much (roughly 3 feet) and I practically will have no side walls, as you will see in the attached picture.
    I am traveling next week and will probably listen to some additional speakers during my trip in Germany and Switzerland. Here is my current shortlist, with speakers that I have already auditioned and that still make the list in bold:
    • Audiovector SR6 Avantgarde
    • Lawrence Audio Cello
    • Gold Note XT-7
    • ELAC Adante AF-61
    • Boenicke W11
    • Janszen Valentina
    • Higherfi Audio HFX-3
    • Oskar Heil Kithara
    • Wilson Audio Watt/Puppy 7 or 8
    • Kharma CRM 3.2FE
    • Revel Salon 2
    • Pure Audio Project Trio 15 Heil

    Revel still is a runner because of the reasons that I mentioned before and because of the adaptability to front wall.

    WA W/P was recommended by a friend who is very knowledgeable, saying that the closeness to front wall makes them a great contender.

    Will be listening to the Boenicke and Kithara on this trip.

    Still very curious regarding the Valentina, but the hassle of having an in-home audition before getting of an idea of the house sound is not something I'm comfortable with. Same thing for the Trio 15 Heil.

    I can get no decent information on the Higherfi speaker and they haven't been useful in getting more information on these speakers. On paper I like the concept of a planar tweeter, ribbon mid and cone bass, but it most likely is a nightmare to get that to mesh correctly.

    I don't think I will be able to listen to the Cello nor the SR6, so they'll probably leave the list soon. the AF-61 is unobtainium. Have contacted several ELAC dealers here, Germany and Switzerland and they're hard to find to audition. Don't know what's up with that.

    Just wanted to give the members of this thread an update. Am still open to suggestions that might fit my overall goals as described in the first post.

    On a last note: The sofa is going to change and there will be an additional rug between it and the console, hopefully helping to diminish some reflections.
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    Source: SBT w/ EDO and Welborne Labs PSU, Oppo '103-D', Resolution Audio 'Cantata'
    Amplification: Gryphon 'Diablo'
    Speakers: Evolution Acoustics 'MMMicroOne'
    Cables: Power: Douglas Cables 'Mirage' (2x) & 'Silver Purple', ASI 'Liveline' (w/ Oyaide 004/079); Digital: LH 'Lightspeed' USB, Lifatec Silflex toslink; IC: DC 'Hair Angel' XLR; Speaker: Crystal Cable 'Standard'
    Acessories: Sistrum SP-1, Furutech GTX-D (g), Hifi-Tuning Supreme Fuse (Cantata), MIT Z Duplex Super, Equitech Balanced Power

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