On The Record: An Audio Professional’s Take on Vinyl

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Michael Thomas Connolly a musician, recording engineer, and producer writes an interesting and thought provoking article describing the analog and digital production processes and tradeoffs.

In part he writes:

Recording does not capture an objective reality any more than a photograph would. Although this might seem controversial, notice that a photographer makes aesthetic choices in lens, camera, lighting, composition, editing, and printing. Similarly, recording engineers and producers make choices at each stage of recording—from selecting and positioning microphones, coaching a certain performance, editing and mixing the recording, and finally mastering the recording onto a consumable format (vinyl, CD, MP3, etc.).

The distinction between analog and digital recording methods can be a confusing one, so here’s the simplest rule of thumb. Digitally recording anything (whether it be a sound wave in the air, the daily temperature, or a photograph) involves measurement, i.e., assigning a value on a numerical scale of some kind (decibels, degrees, or pixel color values). Analog recording methods do not.

Analog records cannot be reproduced, processed, or transformed without introducing distortions.

In contrast, the wonderful property of digital recording—and the reason that it has become dominant in audio, video, photography, telephony, radio, and other domains—is that, once I have made my initial measurement, the resulting “recording” can be copied and reproduced without generating any further error!

Admittedly, digital recordings are not 100% accurate. My tape measure can only measure to the nearest 1/16 inch, so I must round off the measurement when recording it in my notebook. Still, there is still much less chance for cumulative error, and finer-grained scales can decrease even those inaccuracies.

While distortion in analog systems is unavoidable, with digital systems distortion becomes an aesthetic choice which can be added as desired.

I want to emphasize that distortion is not necessarily a bad thing! I like the sound of analog distortion and the warmth it adds, as do many listeners and other audio professionals, and I take active steps to add it to recordings that I produce as it can create a pleasant listening experience—and that’s great! An audio engineer’s view is simply that you are adding (desirable) distortion to your listening experience. But like garlic, there is such a thing as too much harmonic distortion.

So is analog better than digital? Does a record sound better than an MP3 or a CD? The answer is not an easy one. The story is much simpler, however, if we embrace the idea I suggested at the beginning of this piece, namely that the playback of audio recording is the product of a long series transformations. We can accept that a musical performance was transformed through many processing steps to create a master recording. In general, the analog transformation steps add distortion, which many people find pleasant, and the digital transformation steps add very little distortion, unless intentionally designed to do so.

This is a rather long article and covers all areas of the recording and mastering processes. I'm attaching the article.https://aestheticsforbirds.com/2021/04/07/an-audio-professionals-take-on-vinyl/
 

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Nothing new here, IME. Perhaps it merely reflects one person's (admittedly a specially qualified one person) take on the continuously increasing amount of popular press on the "superiority" of LP's.
 

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I didn't get that take from the article. Especially when he points out that every LP starts with a digital recording these days. And then proceeds to explain that every step in the process degrades from the master.
 

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As I said...
 

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Especially when he points out that every LP starts with a digital recording these days.
This is not true, although the grand majority do.
And then proceeds to explain that every step in the process degrades from the master.
I would probably choose to say 'changes' versus 'degrades' but thats just me.

A large number of modern digital recordings today see analog processing in mastering so there will have been one or more 'round trips' from D/A/D...changing them too :)
 

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Yes, and that original digital recording is one of the reasons that most modern recordings are inferior to the old all analog ones from the 50's and 60's. Recording engineers where the first to embrace digital, not for its superior sound, but for the convenience it brought to their work process! :rolleyes:
 
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I find bizarre that people still want to discuss digital using the digital of the 80's and 90's. From a podcast referred in another thread : https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threads/taiko-audio-sgm-extreme-the-crème-de-la-crème.27433/post-714116

Question at 1:10:05 "Am I correct that you (Bill Schnee) and Doug Sax think that 24/192 is better than LP?" Bill Schnee answer : "That is exactly what I think and Doug thinks."

But in fact in the 2000's Doug Sax was known for giving away T-shirts with the inscription "Stop Digital Madness." Only after digital reached high quality with Hi-Res he endorsed digital recording.
 

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Doug Sax also felt at one point not so long ago that JCF Audio made the best digital convertors he had heard but that didn't get the hifi community excited. Different worlds these...
 
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Recordimg and playback are two very different operations. Instead of throwing mud in the wind, why not go through the exhaustive details one has done to get their digital performing at top levels. I have been through 5 DAC, as many or more server iterations. Various modem, routers and associated LPS. Audiophile switches, cables, isolation. And on it goes.
The problem with digital is its a game of extreme tuning. Every bit counts in small amounts. And an egregious error results in fatigue and an unlistenable system.
Vinyl takes skill to set up, but a bad error is less likely to be unlistenable. It just doesn't sound that good. Once you understand cartridge setup, vinyl get great results with less peripherals. Sure cables, isolation matter. I just find I have spent 4 or 5 times the time to get my digital right. And I'm still messing with it. I put a $2k Intona USB in last week. A $12k MSB dac in this week. Trying a new Intona switch next week. And still, my 45RPM Tea For The Tillerman has better dynamics, prat, quiet and natural tone than my digital. Don't get me wrong. If I only had digital I would be happy. The playback is fantastic. But I now have $22k in my digital and $12k in vinyl and still I gravitate to the vinyl.

So, does it really matter that digital has less distortion??? Does it? Is that all one is to use when judging a source. I admit, every time I get rid of noise I never knew was there I'm happy. But darn, I have spent so much time money and effort trying to get my digital to better my vinyl. And so far I can't do it. I can always find something that nudges digital out on the vinyl source. And vinyl has more inherent noise. Now why is that? I guess I need to throw a few hundred hours more at the digital and maybe another $15k to $20k and reasses. Meanwhile my vinyl sits there doing its thing in a glorious way.

FWIW, of course I have digital files that stomp on some of my lesser vinyl pressing . Led Zeppelin is a fine example. The digital is much better. Same with some Oscar Peterson. My digital is better. Then there is the 15ips open reel tape. Holly crap. I never knew Led Z could sound so amazing. Non of my digital or vinyl bests my open reel tape.
 
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I find bizarre that people still want to discuss digital using the digital of the 80's and 90's.
Many analogue types still use this as the digital sound quality "benchmark". Yes, it is bizarre and irrelevant. Suffice to say, the SQ of digital has significantly improved since then.
 

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"Does a record sound better than an MP3?"

Can that even be up for debate giving the compression on an MP3?
 

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The engineers I interviewed for my Decca book all said they really liked the transition to digital for one big reason, it made doing edits so much easier. One said that in his analogue recordings from 35 years ago, he could still hear every edit he did.

When I had a shoot out back in 2010 to get an A to D converter, Paul Stubblebine arranged the shoot out. He got a JCF to try out on the recommendation of Doug Sax. We had several others to compare also. I ended up choosing the only one that was not available for sale, a Pacific Microsonics Model Two. However, several months later, Maier Shadi in LA found two at Universal Studios. If you visit him at the Audio Salon in Santa Monica, you will see one of them, and I have the other.

Digital files (the ones I did to convert 10K records and 2K tapes are all 192/24) are certainly much more convenient. I now have 14TB portable hard drives that can hold over 4000 Hirez albums each.

Larry
 
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I listen to high-res. digital over my Naim unit in the kitchen while we eat as background music. It is turned off when the washing up is done.

My main listening for enjoyment, however, is a solely vinyl playback system. I don't know enough about the industry to give technical views here, so I can't say it is the odd order harmonics vs the even order harmonics, or say that it is additional micro harmonics between the notes in analogue that digital looses with its "snapshots" of information which are flipped past our ears rapidly enough to give us the illusion of continuous tones that gives us the subconscious knowledge that it isn't all there (not real), suffice to say that when I play a vinyl record that was recorded from a digital source I know it, and I dump them in the trash for they give me no pleasure, no ease, they are dry and sterile muzak to me.
 
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I don’t need to spend big bucks to get digital to sound fantastic. Have an Yggy with Unison USB and run files out of my laptop. In comparing the sound to my old VPI/Kuzma/ClearAudio TT set up, the digital wins almost every time, so much so that the vinyl I don’t have files for is getting the needledrop treatment and the TT is collecting dust.
 

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I don’t need to spend big bucks to get digital to sound fantastic. Have an Yggy with Unison USB and run files out of my laptop. In comparing the sound to my old VPI/Kuzma/ClearAudio TT set up, the digital wins almost every time, so much so that the vinyl I don’t have files for is getting the needledrop treatment and the TT is collecting dust.
I had a Yggy too, it is excellent, but compared to my vinyl setup there is no contest. The vinyl beats the Yggy in every parameter except channel seperation where the digital in general is a little better. Music is just more enjoyable and real trough the vinyl. What phono stage and cartridge do you use ?
 
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Spectral pre amp, Clearaudio gamma S, fully rebuilt DNA 1 with gravity bass system and Vandy 3A Signatures. All power via ESP products. Natural, transparent and dynamic sound. I have some files I was involved in recording and the Yggy takes me right back to the live mic feed every time.
 
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There is no doubt that digital sound has improved immensely since it's intoduction. I deal with 1400 computers, 2000 Chromebooks and 5 servers all day long. When I get home it's vinyl or R2R tape for me!
 
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Michael Thomas Connolly a musician, recording engineer, and producer writes an interesting and thought provoking article describing the analog and digital production processes and tradeoffs.

In part he writes:

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I want to emphasize that distortion is not necessarily a bad thing! I like the sound of analog distortion and the warmth it adds, as do many listeners and other audio professionals, and I take active steps to add it to recordings that I produce as it can create a pleasant listening experience—and that’s great! An audio engineer’s view is simply that you are adding (desirable) distortion to your listening experience. But like garlic, there is such a thing as too much harmonic distortion.
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Nice thread. My music library is rather limited compared to some but in my estimation the recording industry has done a relatively fabulous job over the decades. Sure there are some very inferior-engineered recordings but still overall I'd have to say they've done exceedingly well.

And more to the point, if this is true, then this puts the onus back onto the playback side of the house that leaves room for much improvement. Even the statement above about him liking analog distortions and the warmth it adds.

Well, it seems he's talking about adding coloration here and I suspect he likes this coloration because it hides a potential laundry list of sins occurring with his (and other's) playback system. Especially when so many recordings already contain much of the warmth and tonality of the live performance only we can't hear it during playback.

BTW, just because we don't hear certain music info during playback doesn't mean the music info doesn't exist in the recording. Rather it usually means the playback system is keeping many of these "coveted" sonic characteristics from being audible at the speaker. IOW, the playback system lacks resolution.

In such cases, intentionally-induced colorations of any sort may help hide some of these pimples and warts and give us the impression that the presentation is more musical when in reality it's just a bit more tolerable. The astute enthusiast recognizes that the pimples and warts are actually a cry for a proper remedy and not a band-aid i.e. adding coloration.

In my opinion anyway.
 

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Most lps sound no better than cd and a select few sound better than cd.
You're right, a lot of LPs do not sound great, that is true especially from cheaper recuts from the later 70's and early 80's, but if they were recorded sans digital processing, they will still sound different to CD. And to some, myself included, that difference is more acceptable, is harmonically more like real instruments and does not cause me to want me to shut it down after a short while of listening (as when listening to CDs). Then there are those LPs that sound great, where everything was done right and compared to CD (to paraphrase Lagonda) "there is no contest".
 

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