Coincident Statement Linestage

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Got one of these on loan at the moment and deeply impressed. Like a very good passive with added drive.....which design-wise is exactly what it is.

Anyone else got experience?
 
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Joel has this, iirc he bought it after comparing it to Nagra and a Zanden 3000... You can PM him for more...
 

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Got one of these on loan at the moment and deeply impressed. Like a very good passive with added drive.....which design-wise is exactly what it is.

Anyone else got experience?

A very good line stage it is. Not as transparent as a good passive. But it's up there.
 

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I must say that the CSL is excellent sonically; fast, detailed, great presentation and with a good drive. Just a little bit missing in the first lower octaves, neverthless I'm happy with it since 2013.
It can compete with many high class linestages, both SS or tubed.
You must consider that it has only two inputs (one RCA and one balanced) so possibly this is a weak spot; furthemore there's no remote control and volume pots are two (one for each channel).
I think it's and underrated electronics.
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Thanks for the update.
I saw that in the website of the brand that there's an announcement about a "MkII" version with some imrpovements in the signal path; I'm wondering if these upgrades will be retrofittable in the units of previous series, just for knowledge...
Marco
 

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I'm demoing one right now. Within a few minutes, it convinced me that its an upgrade to driving my amps directly from a Golden Gate DAC with volume control.
I guess I told you that somewhere already. A very good preamp sounds better than directly into the power amp. At least that is my experience ;)
 

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I guess I told you that somewhere already. A very good preamp sounds better than directly into the power amp. At least that is my experience ;)

Yeah. My big 7 had VC but I got the GG without it
 

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Coincident Statement Linestage vs. Nat Audio Magenetostat SE. Has anyone compared these two linestages? I am auditioning a modified Coincident Mk II linestage (having only 24 hours on the modded unit) and was very impressed - transparent and dynamic; just wish the reproduction of strings (I listen exclusively to classical music) could be more caressing, fuller or voluptuous. Really appreciate first-hand and detailed impressions about the Nat Magnetostat SE (especially when compared to Concident unit).

Are you still running the stock tubes? The Psvane 101D tubes are a little sweeter. Still not a linestage that one would consider to be "traditionally tubey" though even with the nicer tubes. What modifactions were performed on it?
 

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I am interested in a Nat Magnetostat SE too, so I would be happy to hear about it from people who has experience.
 
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Coincident Statement Linestage vs. Nat Audio Magenetostat SE. Has anyone compared these two linestages? I am auditioning a modified Coincident Mk II linestage (having only 24 hours on the modded unit) and was very impressed - transparent and dynamic; just wish the reproduction of strings (I listen exclusively to classical music) could be more caressing, fuller or voluptuous. Really appreciate first-hand and detailed impressions about the Nat Magnetostat SE (especially when compared to Concident unit).

What's your power amp
 

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I am interested in a Nat Magnetostat SE too, so I would be happy to hear about it from people who has experience.

I compared the Nat utopia to AR ref 3 around 6 years ago and it was much better, then advised spiritifmusic to buy. Those were the good old days where he listened to me.

After that I had the Nat magnetostat SE with the Magma SE with my Verity audio Leonore to compare next to a full jadis system. In some ways, I preferred the jadis.

Then, I have been to the house of the ex distributor of Nat in Holland, who first put Nat on the map, and he owns their SE gear but I did not get to compare.

However, those were the days I owned gear like most of you and hence less experienced as I did not out much.

More recently, if you look up on zero distortion, there is a report on a system with aesthetix IO eclipse, Allnic 5000 phono, Lyra atlas, vdh Stradivarius, zyx, kodo beat, Vyger, etc. That owner had the Nat magnetostat (not SE) into Alieno OTL and I got to compare it with his Dartzeel mk1. He had replaced his Allnic L5000 pre with the Nat.

Overall, based on all these impressions, Nat is quite good. However market feedback is that it is high maintenance, and tough to service. The battery used to run out quickly, not sure if they got past that. Sonically, it has very good flow and tone and continuity and stage and instrument delienation for classical. Good punch. Overall I find Nat to be on the darker side with slower transients, but that is being very picky, users like it.

However, if you have SETs horns, you might be better off with something small and simple DHT pre.

If you have a cone with SS power amp, you might have to look for a matching pre which might not necessarily be the Nat

If you have a cone with a valve power amp, I would suggest the Soulution pre or something similar. On my zero distortion blog I did put up a pic of a visit to a guy who has the Nat magma but prefers to use the Soulution preamp instead of the Nat preamp, and I can see why
 
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I am a set and horns guy for sure and I actually do not need much of a preamp, passive ones I have are quite enough for my own system. The thing is, I have a reference room and system (according to measurements) and I am being asked to review or try stuff. I need something that can work with a variety of sources and variety of valve amps and still be as neutral as possible. Magnetostat SE seemed to be fitting to that.
 
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Yes it is very good for that
 
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Coincident Statement Linestage vs. Nat Audio Magenetostat SE. Has anyone compared these two linestages? I am auditioning a modified Coincident Mk II linestage (having only 24 hours on the modded unit) and was very impressed - transparent and dynamic; just wish the reproduction of strings (I listen exclusively to classical music) could be more caressing, fuller or voluptuous. Really appreciate first-hand and detailed impressions about the Nat Magnetostat SE (especially when compared to Concident unit).

I just can tell you that Coincident Statement is just a little bit "light" in the lower octaves, where other linestages are more full bodied. Better if you have the Psvane WE replica that are more sweeter and better in midrange area where the sound is more defined and luxurious; also bass region is a little bit better defined with the costly WE replica.
My unit will be probably soon for sale since I definitely need more than two inputs only; about the sound quality CSL is among the very best I've heard (many) especially in attack, decay and scaling. Another forumer sentenced "a passive preamp with drive"; I agree absolutely.
Impedance output is 600 ohm (today a little bit higher than standard) so it will be better to avoid power amps with less than 10-30 kohm input impedance; and in any way choose a power amp with a rich bass capability.
Marco
 
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Lol most of the horn lovers are classical and jazz enthusiasts. Look up the videos on the tango time thread they play the best historical performances from the greats on the purest pressings of LPs.

But you are semi right. There are compromised horn solutions with box type active bass which are better for pop.
 

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The Coincident Statement Linestage does sound good. Although the 101D tubes have a particular sound that would not appeal to everybody.Supratek used them for a while but went back to other DHT alternatives which have a more balanced sound.
The 101Ds always sounded a bit too lean and bright for me.They create the impression of sounding highly detailed but you tire of that sort of brightly lit sound.
The new Generation 3 Supratek preamps are the real deal though.I have friends who owned the Coincident and have changed to new Suprateks.if you want a DHT preamp the Suprateks are the way to go.I would suggest a Supratek Cabernet with the option to run either 300Bs or 45s.
 

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Jono, thanks for your information. I am intrigued. Do you or your friends have personal experience between Supretek's DHT 300B and 6SN7 (non-DHT) CABERNET? If I could read between lines from Supretek's website, DHT 300B would produce a bit euphorics, but 6SN7 is more balanced and neutral (this latter statement is what I guessed; it is not so stated on Supratek's website)? I am inclined toward the latter, but would appreciate any feedback from personal experience. Thanks!


Which is best probably comes down to your power amp.If you have a very neutral amp I would go for the Cabernet 300b/45 .If your amp is a bit warmer /richer sounding the 6SN7 might be best.
Having said that I love the sound of my Supratek 300B Cabernet with both the Audio Flight Strumento 4 and Usher R1.5 power amps which are both pretty warm and rich sounding power amps but I listen to mostly acoustic music and prefer a slightly warmer sound.
There is lot more to the Suprateks than just tonality though.They are also very clear,detailed and most especially 3D sounding and you will get those qualities with them regardless of the type of tubes they use.
 

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I compared the Nat utopia to AR ref 3 around 6 years ago and it was much better, then advised spiritifmusic to buy. Those were the good old days where he listened to me.

After that I had the Nat magnetostat SE with the Magma SE with my Verity audio Leonore to compare next to a full jadis system. In some ways, I preferred the jadis.

Then, I have been to the house of the ex distributor of Nat in Holland, who first put Nat on the map, and he owns their SE gear but I did not get to compare.

However, those were the days I owned gear like most of you and hence less experienced as I did not out much.

More recently, if you look up on zero distortion, there is a report on a system with aesthetix IO eclipse, Allnic 5000 phono, Lyra atlas, vdh Stradivarius, zyx, kodo beat, Vyger, etc. That owner had the Nat magnetostat (not SE) into Alieno OTL and I got to compare it with his Dartzeel mk1. He had replaced his Allnic L5000 pre with the Nat.

Overall, based on all these impressions, Nat is quite good. However market feedback is that it is high maintenance, and tough to service. The battery used to run out quickly, not sure if they got past that. Sonically, it has very good flow and tone and continuity and stage and instrument delienation for classical. Good punch. Overall I find Nat to be on the darker side with slower transients, but that is being very picky, users like it.

However, if you have SETs horns, you might be better off with something small and simple DHT pre.

If you have a cone with SS power amp, you might have to look for a matching pre which might not necessarily be the Nat

If you have a cone with a valve power amp, I would suggest the Soulution pre or something similar. On my zero distortion blog I did put up a pic of a visit to a guy who has the Nat magma but prefers to use the Soulution preamp instead of the Nat preamp, and I can see why
Bonzo, you seemt to have experiences about REF 3 and NAT Utopia, perhaps about other models like REF 6 , Magnetic or Magnetostat SE vs Megnetostat regular. Any more comparasions? With my Horning I need more body, I like the weight of instruments. Any thoughts?
 

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