TechDAS Air Force Zero (real final photo)

shakti · Apr 5, 2019

NorthStar said:
In Euros it was mentioned 390,000 for the Zero @ 700+ pounds (weight). Per pound is ....

In US dollars; anywhere between $300,000 and $450,000

Is the price in EUR incl VAT (typical VAT in EU is 20%)?

I heard prices more close to EUR 500.000,- incl VAT
Difference in value would be close to an AS2000

NorthStar · Apr 5, 2019

Yesterday I searched briefly for it; and few links that's what they mentioned...390,000 euros.
If I wanted to purchase one of the fifty made (ten are already sold), I would get probably closer to a financial number (Canadian dollars for me, with our exchange, taxes, duties, shipping, installation, room service, ...) and what's included and not (parts) if I wanted optional additions, ...all that jazz.

Fully equipped, all transactions and fees calculated and absorbed after all and done (only a guess after tax amortization):
• In Canadian loonies: between $500,000 and $600,000
• In US greens: between $440,000 and $525,000
• In Euros: between 400,000 and 500,000

....Few dollars more or less. Me, in real life I simply couldn't afford one.
But it's in that neighborhood price wise...say half mill.

* It's for folks with precious record collections, very.

Derainer · Apr 5, 2019

Yes so is life.

When I introduced my big turntable, the Dereneville VPM-2010, in the year 2011, I was laughed at by many users.

https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threads/650k-turntable.3212/
Today, such prizes are nothing out of the ordinary. It is accepted. There are always people who want the best.

Greetings Rainer

hvbias · Apr 5, 2019

Hi-FiGuy said:
I am guessing he is referring to Mr. Anderson's vocal range...

I was indeed, the singer reminded me of those baroque cantatas that were scored calling for male children choirs instead of women.

NorthStar · Apr 5, 2019

Hi Rainer, I think of you often, so it's a pleasure to hear from you.
That turntable in your avatar, can it compete with the Zero? ...Performance wise, strictly technically speaking.

I know, a comparison will have to wait for the future to get here first.
But because as humans we are curious and avid to learn, can you "slip" (share) some info on your avatar?

Cheers,

spiritofmusic · Apr 5, 2019

hvbias said:
I was indeed, the singer reminded me of those baroque cantatas that were scored calling for male children choirs instead of women.

Hmm, try Rush in their 70s pomp, Geddy "Chipmunk On Acid" Lee leaves Jon "Choirboy On Helium" Anderson for dust.

NorthStar · Apr 5, 2019

hvbias said:
I was indeed, the singer reminded me of those baroque cantatas that were scored calling for male children choirs instead of women.

Great voice, Jon Anderson.

Derainer · Apr 5, 2019

Hi Bob,
thank you for your question. I can not say it.
I have no comparison. I also do not know if you can or should compare that.

The linear tracking tonearm in my avatar is incomparable.
It is the world's best linear tracking tonearm that you can buy for money.

This is the opinion of many professionals and the international press.
You are welcome to read the two PDF files (below in my profile).

all the best my friend and take care,
Rainer

NorthStar · Apr 5, 2019

Derainer said:
Hi Bob,
thank you for your question. I can not say it.
I have no comparison. I also do not know if you can or should compare that.

The linear tracking tonearm in my avatar is incomparable.
It is the world's best linear tracking tonearm that you can buy for money.

This is the opinion of many professionals and the international press.
You are welcome to read the two PDF files (below in my profile).

all the best my friend and take care,
Rainer

In your sig, I should have looked first, thanks.

* Suggestion for you Rainer; you probably are the most serious TT designer in the world, the very top best...it would be real swell from you to start a thread on this particular linear tracking TT.
There is no better person than you...the designer.

A lot of people here would be delighted in exploring the very best tracking TT in the world, I included.

Cheers,

? Modulaire MKIII

tima · Apr 6, 2019

microstrip said:
Thanks. Can you share this reliable experimental data with us? IMHO debating these issues in qualitative terms is meaningless. Turntables are first of all a technical subject and can be debated in technical terms with associated numbers.

What I wanted to focus is simply accuracy, nothing else. Trying to mix it with very short term variations will not help to debate it. .

Fwiw, the quote mechanism here does not include quotes of others within itself, so you may need to back to msg #337 for the full quote (above.)

Micro, please note my mention of having experiential data, not experimental data. So you may be dissappointed in this reply. I can give you the data given me by GPA about the two tables I directly compared (same armboard, arm, cartridge.) Some of this is in my threads on the Monaco 1.5 and 2.0. Their measurement equipment goes out to seventh decimal place.

v1.5: Peak error from 33-1/3 is 0.0007% (7ppm). Read of platter encoding track is >10,500 times per second. Controller software is v. sophisticated with predictive capability, not just reading error but able to calculate how far an error may extend.

v2.0: Peak error from 33-1/3 is 0.0001% (1ppm.) - actual platter motion. Read of encoding track is 166,289 times per second (15X the 1.5.) Controller can activate >1000 motor updates per second. (Actually the numbers are much better than these; with my NDA I can give only published specs.) Depending on many variables, optimal is one correction per side.) Modern digital technology in the service of analog accuracy.

We see the numbers, go okay, and glaze over. The aural reality is significant and easily heard.

It would be interesting to learn about the motor and controller and see specs for the AF0.

microstrip said:
My question concerning digital was simple - do you think that your comment
also applies to a digital playback system. It is extremely simple to emulate such differences of speed in digital.

If the analog of a spinning vinyl record is a spinnging disc, I cannot see why the comments on speed accuracy would not apply. But I know little about the mechanical technologies. I would guess a CD itself has encoding to assist gauging how it is spun. I read that timing and timing variations in digital technology (jitter?) are critical issues.

Music occurs in time. In music reproduction, he who controls time controls the source and he who controls the source controls the reproduction.

gian60 · Apr 6, 2019

In Italy the price was from distributor,some months ago,now i don't know if increased,390.000 euro included 22% VAT

Derainer · Apr 6, 2019

NorthStar said:
it would be real swell from you to start a thread on this particular linear tracking TT.

Bob, I'll think about that. But where can I place it?

best regards,
Rainer

shakti · Apr 6, 2019

gian60 said:
In Italy the price was from distributor,some months ago,now i don't know if increased,390.000 euro included 22% VAT

I am asking, as I heard,
the final pricing was planned for beginning of April and the numbers before were best guessing.
may be much cheaper, may be even more expensive....

NorthStar · Apr 6, 2019

Derainer said:
Bob, I'll think about that. But where can I place it?

best regards,
Rainer

3 options:

1. I would ask Steve if possible to have Dereneville (company's name) under the forum section titled: Audio Companies:
• https://www.whatsbestforum.com/forums/#audio-companies.35

2. Or again in the "Audio Companies" forum section specifically titled Other Audio and Video Manufacturer Forum:
• https://www.whatsbestforum.com/forums/other-audio-and-video-manufacturer-forum.258/

3. Or in the forum section under "Vinyl Forum" - Turntables where you posted yesterday and start a brand new thread:
• https://www.whatsbestforum.com/forums/turntables.141/

Cheers,

P.S. Option #1 is best.

Hi-FiGuy · Apr 6, 2019

spiritofmusic said:
Hmm, try Rush in their 70s pomp, Geddy "Chipmunk On Acid" Lee leaves Jon "Choirboy On Helium" Anderson for dust.

And sadly he paid the price later on in his vocal career.

TLi · Apr 9, 2019

TechDAS has made a 28 minute video on YouTube for the Tokyo event.

I wonder if there is any report from the Audio Salon event yesterday?

PeterA · Apr 9, 2019

TLi said:
TechDAS has made a 28 minute video on YouTube for the Tokyo event.

I wonder if there is any report from the Audio Salon event yesterday?

Thanks for posting the video. I think that event was today, April 9th. I think it was originally planned for two days but was changed to one. I happened to be in LA for a few days and tried to get an invitation to the event, but it was closed. I think they are focused on potential buyers and reviewers.

CKKeung · Apr 9, 2019

This is the video clip of the AF Zero Debut in Tokyo :

The AF Zero demo at Audio Salon in LA will be held these two days :
https://techdas.jp/2019/04/02/the-air-force-zero-u-s-premiere-at-the-audio-salon-april-9-10th-2019/
If there are videos of this event, please post them on this thread.
Thanks!

Ron Resnick · Apr 10, 2019

The event in Santa Monica is tonight and tomorrow night. It turns out that I was able to get an invite after all for tomorrow night.

So your humble reporter will be filing a brief report after I attend tomorrow night.

I am looking forward to seeing and hearing the Wilson Master Chronosonic, too!

I just watched the video. TechDAS does beautiful work. The Zero looks gorgeous!

spiritofmusic · Apr 10, 2019

Hi-FiGuy said:
And sadly he paid the price later on in his vocal career.

I was SOOOOO chuffed Rush were inducted into the Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame. But Geddy should not have sung that night. A long improvised version of La Villa Strangiato would have been far preferable. Geddy was painful that night.

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