I said I would never buy another Turntable...Argh !!!

[Kingsrule]

Not sure what David is thinking but check this out: https://www.lessloss.com/page.html?id=80

 

[ddk]

Not sure what David is thinking but check this out: https://www.lessloss.com/page.html?id=80

You gotta try it and you'll see why Kingsrule, measurements are fine but sonically they don't tell all.

david

 

[Mike Lavigne]

Not sure what David is thinking but check this out: https://www.lessloss.com/page.html?id=80

my friends at Taiko Tana have been working with Panzerholtz, active isolation, and hifi electronics for the last 9 months. they have tried it everywhere; listened and measured.

so far it's 'proper use' has been superior to other materials.....in the direct interface with the gear.

I would caution anyone to see panzerholtz and be thinking 'wood'. Panzerholtz is an engineered material using organic pieces.

I would respect that David knows the American Sounds and how that works more than anyone, so his perspective is significant. which does not make it right.

 

[rockitman]

my friends at Taiko Tana have been working with Panzerholtz, active isolation, and hifi electronics for the last 9 months. they have tried it everywhere; listened and measured.

so far it's 'proper use' has been superior to other materials.....in the direct interface with the gear.

I would caution anyone to see panzerholtz and be thinking 'wood'. Panzerholtz is an engineered material using organic pieces.

I would respect that David knows the American Sounds and how that works more than anyone, so his perspective is significant. which does not make it right.

Clearaudio uses Panzerholtz in the Innovation series TT plinths.

 

[ddk]

my friends at Taiko Tana have been working with Panzerholtz, active isolation, and hifi electronics for the last 9 months. they have tried it everywhere; listened and measured.

so far it's 'proper use' has been superior to other materials.....in the direct interface with the gear.

I would caution anyone to see panzerholtz and be thinking 'wood'. Panzerholtz is an engineered material using organic pieces.

I would respect that David knows the American Sounds and how that works more than anyone, so his perspective is significant. which does not make it right.

It comes down to perspective & preferences Mike, materials have qualities that we might not all care for and I’m not just speaking in terms of AS. Of course I have no idea what your friends at Taiko Tana are doing or what they’re after, I can only go by my own trials and goals.

david

 

[Mike Lavigne]

It comes down to perspective & preferences Mike, materials have qualities that we might not all care for and I’m not just speaking in terms of AS. Of course I have no idea what your friends at Taiko Tana are doing or what they’re after, I can only go by my own trials and goals.

david

+1.

agree completely. and you have told me you prefer the tonal characteristics of your steel tables. for me; as we have discussed, I have huge bass towers sitting 7 feet away from the turntable. feedback is an issue I cannot ignore. and I have lived with active isolation and you have not. there is no one way or one preference. and I appreciate and value your generous counsel.

 

[microstrip]

Not sure what David is thinking but check this out: https://www.lessloss.com/page.html?id=80

What does this mean in terms of sound quality?

I we were just looking for nice graphs of ringing and absorption we would fill everything with Sorbonne - and the picture of the mallet and egg is much nicer to look!

Since long it is known that the high-end does not look for complete absorption of full spectra, but for controlled absorption and controlled decay.

 

[microstrip]

Clearaudio uses Panzerholtz in the Innovation series TT plinths.

Yes, they use it in sandwiches of aluminum and Panzerholz bonded by special adhesives, not just simple slabs.

 

[Mike Lavigne]

Yes, they use it in sandwiches of aluminum and Panzerholz bonded by special adhesives, not just simple slabs.

which is how Taiko Tana found it works best.

 

[Tango]

Yes, they use it in sandwiches of aluminum and Panzerholz bonded by special adhesives, not just simple slabs.

It is all a matter of preferences. Aritisan fidelity also offers armbase of various mterials including Panzerholz. If one like the "natural" sound of David's system I believe it is best to go with what is proven. But again that was in David's environment and also one might has different perception of "natural" sound." For me, with my specific placement of my tts, I have used both basic steel slab and audiophile designed cms platform for my tts. Me and my agent who sold me the cms dont hear any difference..haha. So if I have another tt I would just use the steel slab. With one exception, if it is a dd tt, I would like to try Mike and Christian's approach using active anti-vibe for curiosity purpose.

Kind regards,
Tang

 

[microstrip]

(...) So if I have another tt I would just use the steel slab. (...)

How thick is the steel slab you are using?

 

[Tango]

How thick is the steel slab you are using?

About an inch. 75cmX50cm very heavy.

 

[microstrip]

About an inch. 75cmX50cm very heavy.

Thanks - I can guess it weights around 100 kg!

 

[rockitman]

My finished NDW-23. The bottom shelf hasn't been installed yet...shipping next week. The casters can't be powder coated. I may brush paint them with black satin enamel paint at some point. They kind of match the AVI modules and controller.

 

[Tango]

It is going to take more than a few Richter quake for your needle to skip.

 

[PeterA]

Congratulations, Christian. That looks mighty substantial. How much will it weigh with the lower shelf? And once fully loaded with the new turntable and lower shelf component? Will you be placing the motor controller on that lower shelf or is there enough room for the turntable, motor and controller all on the top plate?

 

[rockitman]

Congratulations, Christian. That looks mighty substantial. How much will it weigh with the lower shelf? And once fully loaded with the new turntable and lower shelf component? Will you be placing the motor controller on that lower shelf or is there enough room for the turntable, motor and controller all on the top plate?

steel top plate 108lbs
2 - AVI Isolation Modules 56lbs
AVI Controller 8lbs
Frame 104lbs.
Total: 276lbs.

 

[rockitman]

Final Product ready to ship with bottom shelf plate installed....33"x22" usable shelf area.

 

[Mike Lavigne]

Final Product ready to ship with bottom shelf plate installed....33"x22" usable shelf area.

it's a beauty Chris. can't wait to see it 'loaded up' and playing music.

and I plan to be right behind you. likely i'll copy your rack, except for staying with all white. I do like the raw metal lower shelf too, as powder coat black (or white) would show scratches easily.

I assume the lower shelf rests on the horizontal braces, and is not attached? was that discussed? or will it be drilled and attached once it reaches you?

 

[rockitman]

it's a beauty Chris. can't wait to see it 'loaded up' and playing music.

and I plan to be right behind you. likely i'll copy your rack, except for staying with all white. I do like the raw metal lower shelf too, as powder coat black (or white) would show scratches easily.

I assume the lower shelf rests on the horizontal braces, and is not attached? was that discussed? or will it be drilled and attached once it reaches you?

No braces.....the plate is 3/4" Aluminum that weighs 60lbs. It was originally to be used for the top plate until David alerted me to change to Steel. Perhaps cross braces would be appropriate for thinner shelf material. I plan to brush or spray some enamel on the white casters to match the main stand's satin black powder coat.