Unfortunately, if you remove the ES from the record, you will likely shift its position, so that means you should keep it on the record during playback. I tried to be very careful when removing it and putting on the weight I normally use, and it moved the record out of alignment.
I guess this is why the DS Audio ES002 Reference exists - to improve sound quality during playback.
I’m really disappointed to see that the ES002 also uses AA batteries. My ES001 goes through batteries like I’ve never seen before. If I were spinning vinyl daily I would be changing the batteries at least monthly. At this price point, there should be a rechargeable battery. It would help with weight balance as well.
And no, I’m not dropping ~5500GBP for a ES002 Reference… completely crazy pricing. And I have spent some crazy sums in this hobby.
I guess this is why the DS Audio ES002 Reference exists - to improve sound quality during playback.
I’m really disappointed to see that the ES002 also uses AA batteries. My ES001 goes through batteries like I’ve never seen before. If I were spinning vinyl daily I would be changing the batteries at least monthly. At this price point, there should be a rechargeable battery. It would help with weight balance as well.
And no, I’m not dropping ~5500GBP for a ES002 Reference… completely crazy pricing. And I have spent some crazy sums in this hobby.
Well I would not listen to a record that is off-center. Once you hear the difference it makes, you don’t want to go without it.
That’s interesting - when I tried it yesterday the platter was still spinning. Despite trying to be careful, the record shifted. I guess there’s less chance of a shift if the platter is stopped before removing the DS ES and putting on your main weight?
Yeah, I always stop the platter to switch, otherwise the spinning forces will almost certainly "throw" the record off correction. The Brinkmann direct drive makes this easy... just apply a finger to the platter and friction stops it. Hold the platter for the swap, then release and it spins back up.
I used a Nakamichi TT for years, lets not exaggerate the difference on regular records.
Badly made record can have a big difference in sound after being centered, most records not so much.I recevied my ES-002 and most of the records I play stay in the green to slightly yellow area - meaning they are close to centered.
Those that are not, do have an impact on the sound when centered, especially when they are dynamic recordings (classical music) or instruments that have a larger impact on such changes, such as piano or voice.
Those that are not, do have an impact on the sound when centered, especially when they are dynamic recordings (classical music) or instruments that have a larger impact on such changes, such as piano or voice.
Have you objectively quantified that in any way? So, here - I've taken high resolution recordings of records before and after correction to ABX on my computer and can definitely blind test differences of records only needing 20-40 (as measured by the DS) correction.I used a Nakamichi TT for years, lets not exaggerate the difference on regular records.
After measuring a few hundred records so far, I've found maybe only 3 or 4 that were perfectly centred on both sides. Then there's a small bunch with one good side, and one less good side, but most are out by 80-300+, and so, from my testing at least, I'm convinced that all benefit from correction, except those few "grail" items that are perfectly centred.
Of course, it's diminishing returns, so effort may outweigh gains at low corrections.
If you tap on the measurement curve display you switch to one that tells you the actual number of eccentricity. A nice data point for those interested.
Clearly @Lagonda has not heard a world class TT setup. While the Nakamichi was very cool for its day, it pales in comparison to today’s modern TTs (e.g., wow & flutter).
It’s akin to the noise floor: if you don’t have a low enough noise floor in your system, making an improvement - say to one PSU - may not be audible. It’s the same for eccentricity.
Once you get to a certain level in this hobby, everything makes a difference. In the case of eccentricity it’s easy to see why.
It’s akin to the noise floor: if you don’t have a low enough noise floor in your system, making an improvement - say to one PSU - may not be audible. It’s the same for eccentricity.
Once you get to a certain level in this hobby, everything makes a difference. In the case of eccentricity it’s easy to see why.
Interesting! Wonder if that’s on the ES002 only and not the 001?
BTW, does the 002 also go through AA batteries quickly?
Has anyone compared both generations directly?
Other tips:
You really don't need to let the record spin much - certainly not more than a revolution to determine overall eccentricity - and then correct. These days I tend to play the DS on, let it read and immediately correct and THEN let it spin to confirm. Saves a lot of time.
For 45 RPM, I tend to correct at 35RPM and then spin up to 45RPM. Saves a little time.
You really don't need to let the record spin much - certainly not more than a revolution to determine overall eccentricity - and then correct. These days I tend to play the DS on, let it read and immediately correct and THEN let it spin to confirm. Saves a lot of time.
For 45 RPM, I tend to correct at 35RPM and then spin up to 45RPM. Saves a little time.
The official rechargeables last about two to three weeks here with daily use. When they are being recharged, the "spare" set I use last a little less... Would be nice if the batteries lasted longer.
Sorry, can you please elaborate:
These days I tend to play the DS on, let it read and immediately correct and THEN let it spin to confirm. Saves a lot of time
Oh the 002 comes with rechargeables and they recharge through the unit itself? I guess it’s easy enough to use rechargeable AAs with the 001…
It is a bit arrogant to assume / accuse Lagonda, or any other members on this forum, of having no experience on world class TT setups! Based on his and your pervious posts on this forum, I am pretty sure he has much more experience than you when it comes to hiend audio, especially vinyl !
Not from that comment! Anyway, I have zero time for this, +2 to ignore list.
When a member "rolls eyes" and tells me how to listen or to think about my setup, I normally ignore right away. Numerous owners - who have actually used the ES device are confirming that the ES makes a difference right here. It's so lame to post impressions without having ever heard the device you are posting about! Not to mention, the "experience" here was with a TT that was never known to be socially excellent, and was last sold some ~40 years ago. I'm all for vintage, if it was/is excellent.
This is such incredibly lame behaviour from both of you and a great example of why forums can be a waste of time. This is narrow-minded BS that can make a great forum terrible. I've been seeing more of this lately on WBF: pointless comments from people who have never heard the component in question but "know" that owners who have heard it are wrong, and flack for disagreeing with how a (donor/advertiser's) component sounds.
When a member "rolls eyes" and tells me how to listen or to think about my setup, I normally ignore right away. Numerous owners - who have actually used the ES device are confirming that the ES makes a difference right here. It's so lame to post impressions without having ever heard the device you are posting about! Not to mention, the "experience" here was with a TT that was never known to be socially excellent, and was last sold some ~40 years ago. I'm all for vintage, if it was/is excellent.
This is such incredibly lame behaviour from both of you and a great example of why forums can be a waste of time. This is narrow-minded BS that can make a great forum terrible. I've been seeing more of this lately on WBF: pointless comments from people who have never heard the component in question but "know" that owners who have heard it are wrong, and flack for disagreeing with how a (donor/advertiser's) component sounds.
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