Shun Mook under a turntable

[Maril555]

I'm wondering if anyone here used Shun Mook Giant Resonators under the turntable plinth.
I'm just about to endeavor into a new TT plinth for a new TT project, and trying to decide on the footers.
The new project is belt-driven, non-suspended heavy plinth and magnetically suspended platter (a la Verdier La Platine).
I do have Shun Mook Giant Resonators already, that I'm not currently using.
Thank you.

 

[mtemur]

I haven’t tried shun mook resonators under the turntable but tried them almost every where sometimes in unorthodox ways. Since shun mook products are resonators it will resonate and increase some frequencies. The question is whether you’re going to like it or not. Around 2-4kHz region AFAIK. Shun mook is just a tweak made to tailor the sound to your liking. It’s no scientifically developed product and certainly it will not eliminate vibration cause it’s not made for that. Probably most of the other tweaks in hifi scene are also not scientifically developed. If you like the overall effect it’s ok but I would use feet with spring and elastomers instead.

 

[Maril555]

I haven’t tried shun mook resonators under the turntable but tried them almost every where sometimes in unorthodox ways. Since shun mook products are resonators it will resonate and increase some frequencies. The question is whether you’re going to like it or not. Around 2-4kHz region AFAIK. Shun mook is just a tweak made to tailor the sound to your liking. It’s no scientifically developed product and certainly it will not eliminate vibration cause it’s not made for that. Probably most of the other tweaks in hifi scene are also not scientifically developed. If you like the overall effect it’s ok but I would use feet with spring and elastomers instead.

 

[Maril555]

Understood and agreed.
There seems to be a variety of approaches where it comes to plinth support- active isolation, air suspension devices, ball- bearing based ones (Stillpoints, Critical mass), spring based (Verdier), elastomer based (HRS) etc., etc.
Easy to get lost there.
I'm just wondering about that specific Shun Mook experience.

 

[bonzo75]

You could try, and as you know I am a fan of the footers. However they will be best used under phono and preamp (if you have space), and for those who are digital, under the CD/dac.

I have never tried them under TTs, simply because people I visit are not going to allow me to lift their TT to put it under as easily as they do with the other components, but also because they will add resonance under table, so theoretically looks like a bad idea, as mtemur said.

You have a friend with a fully mooked room. What does he say.

The SM clamp is very good, but Dalby is better.

I have seen people put mpingo discs under the plinth and around

 

[mtemur]

Understood and agreed.
There seems to be a variety of approaches where it comes to plinth support- active isolation, air suspension devices, ball- bearing based ones (Stillpoints, Critical mass), spring based (Verdier), elastomer based (HRS) etc., etc.
Easy to get lost there.
I'm just wondering about that specific Shun Mook experience.

I completely agree on difficulties of choosing footers. I don’t know which solution is better.

 

[mtemur]

I have seen people put mpingo discs under the plinth and around

I use 3 mpingos on the plinth and 2 additional on armboards. IMHO shun mook resonators work best under DAC and CD transport which have outboard transformers. Transformers don’t like to be shun mooked. Obviously amplifiers don’t like it either. YMMV

 

[bonzo75]

I use 3 mpingos on the plinth and 2 additional on armboards. IMHO shun mook resonators work best under DAC and CD transport which have outboard transformers. Transformers don’t like to be shun mooked. Obviously amplifiers don’t like it either. YMMV

Preamps work well too.

amplifier is a bit dependent, I have found it to work on some and some not

 

[Maril555]

You could try, and as you know I am a fan of the footers. However they will be best used under phono and preamp (if you have space), and for those who are digital, under the CD/dac.

I have never tried them under TTs, simply because people I visit are not going to allow me to lift their TT to put it under as easily as they do with the other components, but also because they will add resonance under table, so theoretically looks like a bad idea, as mtemur said.

You have a friend with a fully mooked room. What does he say.

The SM clamp is very good, but Dalby is better.

I have seen people put mpingo discs under the plinth and around

I cannot put them under my current preamp/ phono as it's bottom plates have a lot of screw heads protruding from it.
I have 6 Giant Resonators sitting around unused and it's driving me crazy.
I might just try them under my SpJ La Luce TT nevertheless
My friend with fully "Mooked" room has an original AS-1000 TT and I can't envision that being placed on anything, way too heavy.
Also DDK wouldn't approve.

 

[Maril555]

Preamps work well too.

amplifier is a bit dependent, I have found it to work on some and some not

I've had GR under the PAss active X-over and it's PS and liked the results. That's gone now

 

[Maril555]

Preamps work well too.

amplifier is a bit dependent, I have found it to work on some and some not

BTW, I have preamp sitting on SRA Ohio-class stand, that in turn sits on SRA Scuttle rack.
Recently tried to place it directly on the shelf, sans the Ohio, and it became pretty much unlistenable in comparison.
Same story with the previous Shindo Giscours preamp.

 

[bonzo75]

BTW, I have preamp sitting on SRA Ohio-class stand, that in turn sits on SRA Scuttle rack.
Recently tried to place it directly on the shelf, sans the Ohio, and it became pretty much unlistenable in comparison.
Same story with the previous Shindo Giscours preamp.

So, I suggest the following:

Place the mooks on the SRA, and the rest on the mooks.

Then, place the preamp directly on the shelf with the mooks under it

Regarding many screw, if you have place at the corners, you can try the resonators in the corners - it is ok if some of the resonator sticks out.

 

[mtemur]

Regarding many screw, if you have place at the corners, you can try the resonators in the corners - it is ok if some of the resonator sticks out.

Good advice. Shun mooks also work at the edges when protruding screws are in the way.

So, I suggest the following:

Place the mooks on the SRA, and the rest on the mooks.

Then, place the preamp directly on the shelf with the mooks under it

Any SRA stand made especially for the equipment sounds better than any shun mook under it. Ohio SRA is great, Virginia is a litter better than Ohio. But SRA equipment racks are not something special. Those are my experiences YMMV

 

[Maril555]

Good advice. Shun mooks also work at the edges when protruding screws are in the way.


Any SRA stand made especially for the equipment sounds better than any shun mook under it. Ohio SRA is great, Virginia is a litter better than Ohio. But SRA equipment racks are not something special. Those are my experiences YMMV

Agree with regards to stands vs. Rack

 

[tima]

Any SRA stand made especially for the equipment sounds better than any shun mook under it. Ohio SRA is great, Virginia is a litter better than Ohio. But SRA equipment racks are not something special. Those are my experiences YMMV

To my ears Virginia Class is more than "a litter better than Ohio."

"I did several side by side listening sessions. Both products appear colorless to my ears, neither has its own sonic signature. The Ohio-Class simply does less than the Virginia-Class—I daresay a goodly amount less—we have no established sonic scale for differences among isolation products. The Virginia Class offers greater clarity, tonal depth and harmonic fulfillment, better transient definition, pitch definition, micro and macro dynamic gradient and resolution, all of this relative to the recording. Its greater sense of vivacity, ambiance, presence, lower noise and over all realism is obvious; the two platforms offer similar soundstage depth and note decay. I think unless you compare them side by side in a familiar system, one could be happy as a clam with Ohio platforms. The Virginia-Class is clearly superior by a significant margin."

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[mtemur]

To my ears Virginia Class is more than "a litter better than Ohio."

"I did several side by side listening sessions. Both products appear colorless to my ears, neither has its own sonic signature. The Ohio-Class simply does less than the Virginia-Class—I daresay a goodly amount less—we have no established sonic scale for differences among isolation products. The Virginia Class offers greater clarity, tonal depth and harmonic fulfillment, better transient definition, pitch definition, micro and macro dynamic gradient and resolution, all of this relative to the recording. Its greater sense of vivacity, ambiance, presence, lower noise and over all realism is obvious; the two platforms offer similar soundstage depth and note decay. I think unless you compare them side by side in a familiar system, one could be happy as a clam with Ohio platforms. The Virginia-Class is clearly superior by a significant margin."

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Thank you for the detailed explanation. I believe your experience reflects differences between Ohio and Virginia more accurately. On the other hand I can live with Ohio happily. It’s doing it’s job good enough to stop you looking for an upgrade IMHO.

 

[Argonaut]

I haven’t tried shun mook resonators under the turntable but tried them almost every where sometimes in unorthodox ways. Since shun mook products are resonators it will resonate and increase some frequencies. The question is whether you’re going to like it or not. Around 2-4kHz region AFAIK. Shun mook is just a tweak made to tailor the sound to your liking. It’s no scientifically developed product and certainly it will not eliminate vibration cause it’s not made for that. Probably most of the other tweaks in hifi scene are also not scientifically developed. If you like the overall effect it’s ok but I would use feet with spring and elastomers instead.

Whilst I remain an enthusiast were Shun Mook resonators are concerned , using them ( Giants , Ultra’s , Super’s ) judiciously throughout a previous ARC system to great affect.

Much to my surprise I have recently found them to be largely ineffective by comparison when deployed under and upon my current equipment.

I can only attribute this audible ( or lack thereof ) phenomenon to the materials utilised through the respective manufacturers design and build ethos of the chassis and cases and for the most part the combined total weight of all these materials and components used to manufacture equipment so inert and devoid of resonance.

My theory being that the Aries Cerat electronics produce less overall resonance to excite the fundimaentals and harmonics leaving the Shun Mook resonators with little if any accoustic energy with which to resonate and amplify into the audio band. The only equipment in the new system where I have retained the Shun Mooks being the incumbent CDP transport where they continue to perform their efficacious thing.

By way of comparison :

ARC REF10 Line Stage :

Weight: Audio Chassis: 23.6 lbs. (10.7 kg)

Power Supply Chassis: 37.65 lbs. (17.07 kg)


Aries Cerat Impera Signature Line Stage :

Weight : 242.5 lbs . (110 kg) Audio and Power chassis combined