On this hot night (forget about critical listening with every AC unit know to mankind on), it's been a Connoisseur Society type of night...first Viva Manitas de Plata followed by Ivan Moravec doing Chopin's Ballades. Wow what playing! If today's recordings only sounded 1/10 as good!
MylesOriginally Posted by MylesBAstor
Some of them do ... Some of them are superior ...
I was on a different trip .. Listening to Led Zeppelin Remasters CD the UK import version.. Not that I know if it sounds better than the Domestic. I bought it when I was down there ...
To me the greatest Rock Group ever ...
at Amazon
Frantz
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"For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."
—Carl Sagan
"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius -- and a lot of courage -- to move in the opposite direction."
— Albert Einstein.
Have you heard the recordings I referred to?Myles
Some of them do ... Some of them are superior ...
I was on a different trip .. Listening to Led Zeppelin Remasters CD the UK import version.. Not that I know if it sounds better than the Domestic. I bought it when I was down there ...
To me the greatest Rock Group ever ...
at Amazon
I had the Moravec on Supraphon, now that you remind me of him... I'll get the CD ... Thanks .. Do you listen to Rock ... Led is real ... gooood..
Frantz
Frantz
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"For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."
—Carl Sagan
"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius -- and a lot of courage -- to move in the opposite direction."
— Albert Einstein.
Playing aside, the Supraphons are an order of magnitude down in sound quality eg. not even in the same ballpark as the Connoisseur Society releases. If you want Moravec, I think the CS were released on another label a couple of years ago by Alan Silver and they got pretty good reviews. Alan and David (who I think also did the live Bill Evans sessions at the VV but have been unable to confirm this) used real state of the art gear back then including a modded Ampex R2R run at 30 ips. Now I know what people say about the low end response when recording at 30 ips-but listen to this and tell me what you hear. Especially since he plays a Bosendorfer which I think extends to 28 Hz!
Yes I listen to rock but the only LZ have at present are the CR reissues-of which I have mixed feelings. But LZ II was one of the first three albums ever bought (the others were Black Sabbath: Parnoid and Jethro Tull: Benefit) back in my Jr. year of HS.
I haven't heard the Connoisseur Society re-issues. Are they on CD ? I learned recently (a post in a forum) that 30 ips tended to be weak in the bass, I wasn't aware of this phenomenon and frankly I can't understand why... I would think however that if the effect is consistent, a judicious use of EQ to boost the low-end might have been applied in Mastering ...
The Led Zeppelin Remasters import CDs (2) are good IMO.
Frantz
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"For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."
—Carl Sagan
"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius -- and a lot of courage -- to move in the opposite direction."
— Albert Einstein.
Hmmm..thought had posted a response. Guess not.
The CDs seem to be available on Amazon though can't vouch for the digital transfers. A good place to start with Moravec is Chopin, Beethoven (love his Moonlight) and Debussy.
As far as the R2R decks go, here's a reference to the FR of a number of decks playing at 15 or 30 ips. Now there's people here who could explain the technical reasons better but it's in part due to head bumps; with 30 ips this occurs around 80-120 Hz and an octave lower at 15 ips. Ergo, the lows roll off at a lower frequency with 15 ips than with 30 ips. 30 ips tended to be used because it was quieter and pushed the tape saturation up to higher frequencies, thus extending upper octave response.
http://www.endino.com/graphs/
This reference also has a bit more info about head bumps and a lot more don't want to know:
http://home.comcast.net/~mrltapes/mc...-recorders.pdf
Myles
Let me clarify. I recently ( less than 6 months ) became aware of the lack of bass in 30 ips...
I assumed in my post that The Connoisseur Society you were talking about were on LP, thus my mention of EQ to bring the bass to a satisfying level.
I objected to that opinion by stating thatIf today's recordings only sounded 1/10 as good!
I thank you for the references on the R2R FRSome of them do ... Some of them are superior ...
Frantz
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"For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."
—Carl Sagan
"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius -- and a lot of courage -- to move in the opposite direction."
— Albert Einstein.
British music on the table tonight:
Claire Martin: The Waiting Game (Linn Records)
Martin Simpson: Sad or High Kicking (Topic Records)
June Tabor: Aqaba (Topic Records)
Nic Jones: Penguin Eggs (Topic Records)
I just received a new LP in the mail today and I am already bummed and I haven't even opened it yet. The LP is Tom Petty Highway Companion and it was produced by Jeff Lynne which is the part that bums me out. Jeff Lynne has his thumbprint all over everything he touches and his thumbprint is the size of a catcher's mitt. Jeff Lynne tries to make everything sound like an ELO song and he usually does a damn fine job of that. They should have never made him a member of the Traveling Dingleberries as he did not have the stature of the other members of that band. And yes, you can hear ELO on most of the songs.
Anyway, the Tom Petty LP was supposedly made from tape so I will cross my fingers.
Mark
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