Beatles Vinyl Box...sorry. cut from 44.1 Khz digital files...

Andre Marc · Nov 13, 2012

Sorry Vinyl heads..the Beatles vinyl box was cut from 44.1/24 bit digital files.
There was all sorts of reports about it being cut from 192, 96 etc...

Well..Mikey got to the bottom of it:
http://www.analogplanet.com/content...an-magee-talks-about-mastering-beatles-lp-box

Can't wait to hear all you guys wax poetic about how much more "organic" it is. LOL.

There are already reports of noisy, warped pressings. Best of luck.

I have my noiseless USB 24 bit USB stick.

rockitman · Nov 13, 2012

Andre Marc said:
Sorry Vinyl heads..the Beatles vinyl box was cut from 44.1/24 bit digital files.
There was all sorts of reports about it being cut from 192, 96 etc...

Well..Mikey got to the bottom of it:
http://www.analogplanet.com/content...an-magee-talks-about-mastering-beatles-lp-box

Can't wait to hear all you guys wax poetic about how much more "organic" it is. LOL.

There are already reports of noisy, warped pressings. Best of luck.

I have my noiseless USB 24 bit USB stick.

No need to be sorry when the good beatle vinyl...MoFi and Parlaphone already exists...analog sourced.

Johnny Vinyl · Nov 13, 2012

Was all over the SH Forums as well.

Andre Marc · Nov 13, 2012

rockitman said:
No need to be sorry when the good beatle vinyl...MoFi and Parlaphone already exists...analog sourced.

You mean the Parlaphones with the bass and treble lopped off (it is in the original mastering notes) and the MoFis from production copies?

rbbert · Nov 14, 2012

Really, this should come as no surprise. I and many others predicted this would be the case. I also think it supports the idea (mine and probably others) that most of the music industry and music buying public have different reasons for "preferring" vinyl than some audiophiles. I personally suspect that vinyl's current minuscule market share would be cut in half or more if the only people who bought LP's did so for the perceived "better" sound quality, but we could argue about that endlessly; oh that's right, we already do.

Andre Marc · Nov 14, 2012

rbbert said:
Really, this should come as no surprise. I and many others predicted this would be the case. I also think it supports the idea (mine and probably others) that most of the music industry and music buying public have different reasons for "preferring" vinyl than some audiophiles. I personally suspect that vinyl's current minuscule market share would be cut in half or more if the only people who bought LP's did so for the perceived "better" sound quality, but we could argue about that endlessly; oh that's right, we already do.

I agree totally.

You know what makes this even worse? The mastering engineer in charge of the project says, in a phone interview with Mikey, that
a $995 Benchmark DAC1 was used in the final D/A conversion for the cutter.

There is no doubt this was a scheme to exploit and profit from the current hipness of vinyl.

These discs are essentially mastered from a CD. Or more accurately, it is the USB stick that has gone through a Benchmark DAC1 .

Johnny Vinyl · Nov 14, 2012

It's an easy $15 MIL retail sale (50,000 copies x $300), but really a small number so there wasn't much point in providing a better product. If they could be sure that the vinyl market was big enough to move into triple digits the mastering would have taken a different turn...JMO.

mep · Nov 14, 2012

I for one won"t be buying this LP set.

Johnny Vinyl · Nov 14, 2012

mep said:
I for one won"t be buying this LP set.

Same here!

Phelonious Ponk · Nov 14, 2012

It would have been a lot better if this had broken a year from now, after 12 months of online enthusiasm over the superior musicality of the vinyl. Ah well. It was a great giggle last year or the year before when a bunch of folks suddenly "discovered" that their high-end, hi-res downloads were upsampled from redbook, having not noticed anything amiss prior to the story breaking.

I guess the audiophile internet can't be that much fun all the time.

Tim

mep · Nov 14, 2012

Phelonious Ponk said:
It would have been a lot better if this had broken a year from now, after 12 months of online enthusiasm over the superior musicality of the vinyl. Ah well. It was a great giggle last year or the year before when a bunch of folks suddenly "discovered" that their high-end, hi-res downloads were upsampled from redbook, having not noticed anything amiss prior to the story breaking.

I guess the audiophile internet can't be that much fun all the time.

Tim

I doubt seriously that any analog lover was/is going to crow over LPs sourced from 24/44.1.

Peter Breuninger · Nov 14, 2012

I think the blue box Parlaphone set is as good as you can get on reissue vinyl. The original UK and even some US LPs are the best, but good luck on finding those in audiophile mint condition. Not only am I not surprised by the redbook rez of the new reissues I am very skeptical of compression. Don't worry, they'll sell out and no one will be the wiser (but us).

Phelonious Ponk · Nov 14, 2012

mep said:
I doubt seriously that any analog lover was/is going to crow over LPs sourced from 24/44.1.

Probably not. And surely not with a lowly Benchmark.

Tm

Mike Lavigne · Nov 14, 2012

Andre Marc said:
You mean the Parlaphones with the bass and treble lopped off (it is in the original mastering notes) and the MoFis from production copies?

my Original Pressing mono's of Revolver and Rubber Soul seem to have plenty of bass and treble.

wonderful sounding i'd say.

Andre Marc · Nov 14, 2012

Phelonious Ponk said:
It would have been a lot better if this had broken a year from now, after 12 months of online enthusiasm over the superior musicality of the vinyl. Ah well. It was a great giggle last year or the year before when a bunch of folks suddenly "discovered" that their high-end, hi-res downloads were upsampled from redbook, having not noticed anything amiss prior to the story breaking.

I guess the audiophile internet can't be that much fun all the time.

Tim

Good one Tim. Yes, it would have been a gas to watch them gush over how the Beatle LP's blew away the digital.

I must comment on one thing..as far as high rez downloads... a very tiny percentage of downloads were found to be
upsampled, and those that were fake were immediately outed on the internet. I can tell you it was no different when the firs
CDs were mastered from LP production tapes, and the first SACD's were upsampled PCM.

Andre Marc · Nov 14, 2012

Mike Lavigne said:
my Original Pressing mono's of Revolver and Rubber Soul seem to have plenty of bass and treble.

wonderful sounding i'd say.

Plenty..but not reflective of what was on the tapes.

mep · Nov 14, 2012

Peter Breuninger said:
I think the blue box Parlaphone set is as good as you can get on reissue vinyl. The original UK and even some US LPs are the best, but good luck on finding those in audiophile mint condition. Not only am I not surprised by the redbook rez of the new reissues I am very skeptical of compression. Don't worry, they'll sell out and no one will be the wiser (but us).

I own two copies of the "blue box" EMI Parlaphone LPs. I consider them to be very special-at least they are to me. And I agree with Mike that both Revolver and Rubber Soul have good bass and highs with the nod going to Rubber Soul for the better/deeper bass between the two.

Andre Marc · Nov 14, 2012

mep said:
I own two copies of the "blue box" EMI Parlaphone LPs. I consider them to be very special-at least they are to me. And I agree with Mike that both Revolver and Rubber Soul have good bass and highs with the nod going to Rubber Soul for the better/deeper bass between the two.

From Sound On Sound, interview with Abbey Road mastering engineers:

Extensive reference was made not only to the original CDs, but also to the vinyl albums — which, in some cases, represent the definitive versions as far as listeners are concerned. These had been cut at Abbey Road, meaning that the team had access to the original cutting notes as well as the resulting discs. “It’s very interesting to see what was done,” says Guy. “Quite often, not that much. They had to filter quite a bit of the low end off to get it on and cut a loud vinyl, and then obviously add top towards the centre [to compensate for so-called ‘diameter loss’].

mep · Nov 14, 2012

Andre Marc said:
Plenty..but not reflective of what was on the tapes.

And how would you know unless you heard the actual tapes?? Do you not think that EQ was applied during the latest remastering to digital?

mep · Nov 14, 2012

Andre Marc said:
From Sound On Sound, interview with Abbey Road mastering engineers:

Extensive reference was made not only to the original CDs, but also to the vinyl albums — which, in some cases, represent the definitive versions as far as listeners are concerned. These had been cut at Abbey Road, meaning that the team had access to the original cutting notes as well as the resulting discs. “It’s very interesting to see what was done,” says Guy. “Quite often, not that much. They had to filter quite a bit of the low end off to get it on and cut a loud vinyl, and then obviously add top towards the centre [to compensate for so-called ‘diameter loss’].

His two statements don't reconcile with each other.

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