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    Ypsilon VPS - 100 phono stage - how good?

    Hi guys.
    I am wondering how much better or just different the 30k Ypsilon phono stage and matching SUT's are compared the the top of line phono stages in the 10-15k mark
    These would include
    Pass xp-25
    Allnic h300
    ARC ref2se phono
    To name a few

    Anyone who owns or has the heard the Ypsolin, would be good to hear your thoughts.

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by turntable View Post
    Hi guys.
    I am wondering how much better or just different the 30k Ypsilon phono stage and matching SUT's are compared the the top of line phono stages in the 10-15k mark
    These would include
    Pass xp-25
    Allnic h300
    ARC ref2se phono
    To name a few

    Anyone who owns or has the heard the Ypsolin, would be good to hear your thoughts.

    Cheers
    I think Fred Crowder has this, and reviewed it, but not sure he is on this site. Don't know of anybody else that owns it (except Fremer has one and prefers it); I have the Allnic, but haven't heard the Ypsilon.

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    I have a friend who has Ypsilon VPS - 100 phono stage and the new external xmr's. The new xfmrs are about 6k retail. We have listened the Sims 11K unit, the CJ T1(my unit) and the Pass Xp25. He is using the Ypsilon pre-amp and SET amps. So naturally, the system sounds better with the VSP-100. I take a two part approach in evaluating the sound. I listen for A: it over-all spectral balance and B: then its level of resolution and harmonic accuracy. The presentation of the sound is very close to the Microphone in terms of resolution and harmonics. In terms musicality, the VSP-100 delivers in spades. In terms of dark sound vs. light sounding, its more "Yin or white then black. So there is a slight upper mid-range elevation, but the treble is silky smooth. There is absolutely no phono white noise that inter-modulates with the sound, this helps the music break free and the music just flows like water. All in all, its a superb unit but it will set you back 36K. I still find my CJ T1 to have more intimacy then the Ypsilon VPS - 100 but its not harmonically rich the the Ypsilon.

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    I sure would like to know as an XP-25 owner...I did hear of somone in japan improving the XP-25 sound by running two units with two separate power supplies and using only one channel from each unit to make the two channel system. I think Mark at Reno tried it and said he heard an improvement...so you have a $20k XP-25 squared. I hear the Ypsilon is great...how much better is the question...
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    Christian, "how much better" you ask!

    I am going to keep this simple just for this discussion. Let just say that we use "distance from the mic" as a measuring tool for all the units I discussed. The CJ , Sims Audio and the Xp25 are placed about anywhere between 10 to 20 ft from the mic. They are not an up close presentation. The Ypsilon VPS - 100 gives the impression of being let say 3 to 5 ft from the mic. So there is a big jump in harmonic resolution. In simple terms, it's giving you about 10 to 15% more meat on bone, but based on creating a well balanced system, this may not work for all systems.

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    Christian, "how much better" you ask!

    I am going to keep this simple just for this discussion. Let just say that we use "distance from the mic" as a measuring tool for all the units I discussed. The CJ , Sims Audio and the Xp25 are placed about anywhere between 10 to 20 ft from the mic. They are not an up close presentation. The Ypsilon VPS - 100 gives the impression of being let say 3 to 5 ft from the mic. So there is a big jump in harmonic resolution. In simple terms, it's giving you about 10 to 15% more meat on bone, but based on creating a well balanced system, this may not work for all systems.
    Zermatt: Interesting way to describe the differences, and helpful. When I had a Steelhead, with all the right NOS tubes, the system sounded like good hi-fi, but lacked something that gave the system real life. The Allnic gave an immediacy to things that does not sound forced; while all the warmth and spatial stuff was there in great measure, everything was simply clearer, and in a way, less mechanical sounding; it was almost like the Steelhead was compressing things; tube rolling could change the character, but not the sense that there was a piece of equipment in the way of the sound. The change was unmistakably better musically in my system, which gained significant benefits once I also changed line stages. Not saying this to advocate the Allnic, as such, but to point out that changes in the phono stage, from a well-regarded unit to another were dramatic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zermatt View Post
    Christian, "how much better" you ask!

    I am going to keep this simple just for this discussion. Let just say that we use "distance from the mic" as a measuring tool for all the units I discussed. The CJ , Sims Audio and the Xp25 are placed about anywhere between 10 to 20 ft from the mic. They are not an up close presentation. The Ypsilon VPS - 100 gives the impression of being let say 3 to 5 ft from the mic. So there is a big jump in harmonic resolution. In simple terms, it's giving you about 10 to 15% more meat on bone, but based on creating a well balanced system, this may not work for all systems.
    i know your friend with the VPS-100; he does have a very good reference and he likes the Ypsilon. i've owned the Allnic H3000 (new and old versions) and have the battery powered darTZeel NHB-18NS with 2 phono cards in it. i have heard the VPS-100 a few times but not in my own system. i would say that the Ypsilon is more like the dart (in terms of neutrality) than the Allnic (which is warmer than the Ypsilon), although it is bloomier/spacier than the dart, but it's level of detail (you relate it to mic distance) is similar but slightly better than the dart.....although system context could change things around. obviously the dart is part of a system, and the Ypsilon works best when used with the Ypsilon preamp and amps. i've not heard it as a stand alone phono outside of an all Yip system.

    i've not spent time with the Pass or the CJ.

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    My problem with some of these super hi-end stages is the fact of no loading flexiblity unless in the case of Yip, buy separate step up transformers for various optimal loading for one's cart inventory. My Koetsu Coralstone with my XP-25 sounds best at 160, my A90 500, ect....plus you have the added interconnect interface between step-up and the MM Phono stage (47K). What am I missing ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by turntable View Post
    Hi guys.
    I am wondering how much better or just different the 30k Ypsilon phono stage and matching SUT's are compared the the top of line phono stages in the 10-15k mark
    These would include
    Pass xp-25
    Allnic h300
    ARC ref2se phono
    To name a few

    Anyone who owns or has the heard the Ypsolin, would be good to hear your thoughts.

    Cheers
    I am the importer of darTZeel, which was not asked about, but I think is much better than the few you named. But, to directly answer your question, the Ypsilon is much better than those on your list. I have no affiliation with Ypsilon.

    The Ypsilon has much greater detail (textural and informational) and a substantially blacker background. And yes, I have heard all those listed. It is not really close.

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    moral of the story JTinn ? Buy the Yip and decide on your multiple step-up trans load options....I hear the Vitus is another one on the yip level...Maybe I need to spend there instead of SOTA digital.
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