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Thread: How to ID true Koetsu Black made by Mr. Sugano, the father?

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    If someone is looking for an old Koetsu Black, let me know.
    PM-ed you.

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    Brought up an older Koetsu post....I have what I believe to be a early Black. Any idea as to roughly this style was made....Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by msm_1 View Post
    Brought up an older Koetsu post....I have what I believe to be a early Black. Any idea as to roughly this style was made....Thanks

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    If possible, could you post a pic of the top?
    Phil

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    Quote Originally Posted by jadis View Post
    If possible, could you post a pic of the top?
    Will send a pic, soon as I get a chance.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by jadis View Post
    If possible, could you post a pic of the top?
    Well, maybe not as old as I thought. Looks like a rather high #

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    Quote Originally Posted by msm_1 View Post
    Well, maybe not as old as I thought. Looks like a rather high #

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    Yours would be a bit older than my old Black which has a serial number starting with 59...My guess is still that would be vintage 80s. And further, my guess is that the late father Sugano started with a Rosewood or Onyx in terms of production and those were the so called 'long body' Koetsus, which old hands claim have the most distinct Koetsu midband.
    Phil

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    Quote Originally Posted by jadis View Post
    If possible, could you post a pic of the top?
    Quote Originally Posted by jadis View Post
    Yours would be a bit older than my old Black which has a serial number starting with 59...My guess is still that would be vintage 80s. And further, my guess is that the late father Sugano started with a Rosewood or Onyx in terms of production and those were the so called 'long body' Koetsus, which old hands claim have the most distinct Koetsu midband.
    Thanks for info. Hard to find information on these little treasures. It doesn't show on these pics but has a very tiny screw above the gold line on the front. I've seen maybe a couple of ones with this screw, but again, not much to go on and finding someone who knows is just as hard lol.... Will definitely keep in the family. These older bodies don't seem to come up often for sale, specially original condition

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    Quote Originally Posted by msm_1 View Post
    Thanks for info. Hard to find information on these little treasures. It doesn't show on these pics but has a very tiny screw above the gold line on the front. I've seen maybe a couple of ones with this screw, but again, not much to go on and finding someone who knows is just as hard lol.... Will definitely keep in the family. These older bodies don't seem to come up often for sale, specially original condition
    My pleasure. Indeed these older bodies don't come up often, and I believe, even broken vintage Koetsus have a value as it can be rebuilt to new condition, complete with a certificate signed by Fumihiko Sugano.
    Phil

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    Quote Originally Posted by jadis View Post
    If possible, could you post a pic of the top?
    Quote Originally Posted by jadis View Post
    My pleasure. Indeed these older bodies don't come up often, and I believe, even broken vintage Koetsus have a value as it can be rebuilt to new condition, complete with a certificate signed by Fumihiko Sugano.
    True, any vintage Koetsu is a great find.... My understanding, and maybe their standards have changed, but at one time Koetsu would not take in one of their cartridges if it had be rebuilt/retipped by another company. I remember people getting warned that if they took it somewhere else, Koetsu would no longer consider it one of theirs anymore. I only had one rebuilt ( Jade ) and got the option from Koetsu to upgrade it internally to the next level up. Wasn't cheap, but they gave me a great discount. When I finish moving will take some pictures.

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