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    I stumbled upon this thread searching for JPlay feedback. It is clear there is a lot of FUD about this. I am ONLY interested in analytical results. My suggestion is that those that are invested 'proprietors' should refrain from comparisons, or characterization of those who are not in this to make money. JMHO

    My view is I would prefer NOT to spend $50 for software to hear audiophile quality music on my computer. After all this can be mereley about getting the exact bits to the external decoders, whether a USB DAC or HDMI receiver. I good free MySQL like database should be sufficient to find the music and then cause the bitstream to be sent out the port. Am I thinking clearly?
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    Quote Originally Posted by whose View Post
    I stumbled upon this thread searching for JPlay feedback. It is clear there is a lot of FUD about this. I am ONLY interested in analytical results. My suggestion is that those that are invested 'proprietors' should refrain from comparisons, or characterization of those who are not in this to make money. JMHO

    My view is I would prefer NOT to spend $50 for software to hear audiophile quality music on my computer. After all this can be mereley about getting the exact bits to the external decoders, whether a USB DAC or HDMI receiver. I good free MySQL like database should be sufficient to find the music and then cause the bitstream to be sent out the port. Am I thinking clearly?
    No, you are not thinking correctly if you think it is all about the correct bits being delivered - this is a basic & fundamental requirement of all playback software!
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    $50 buy a lot of FUD

    Quote Originally Posted by jkeny View Post
    No, you are not thinking correctly if you think it is all about the correct bits being delivered - this is a basic & fundamental requirement of all playback software!
    It IS about 1-The correct bits delivered out USB or HDMI ports and 2-the external DAC being clocked properly (no audible jitter).

    I don't know if your post was agreeing or dis-agreeing?
    But really that is ALL THERE IS. Correct bits delivered externally, and the external DAC using these bits. The desired bitrate analog conversion rate is/should be known to the external DAC device

    Like I wrote, there is a lot of FUD from JRiver and others. $50 buys a lot of FUD. Be smart and use your dollars wisely.

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    No, you miss an important third point - noise on the USB line (forget HDMI as it's badly compromised) & the effect this noise has on the D/A stage!!
    Quote Originally Posted by whose View Post
    It IS about 1-The correct bits delivered out USB or HDMI ports and 2-the external DAC being clocked properly (no audible jitter).

    I don't know if your post was agreeing or dis-agreeing?
    But really that is ALL THERE IS. Correct bits delivered externally, and the external DAC using these bits. The desired bitrate analog conversion rate is/should be known to the external DAC device

    Like I wrote, there is a lot of FUD from JRiver and others. $50 buys a lot of FUD. Be smart and use your dollars wisely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whose View Post
    It IS about 1-The correct bits delivered out USB or HDMI ports and 2-the external DAC being clocked properly (no audible jitter).

    I don't know if your post was agreeing or dis-agreeing?
    But really that is ALL THERE IS. Correct bits delivered externally, and the external DAC using these bits. The desired bitrate analog conversion rate is/should be known to the external DAC device

    Like I wrote, there is a lot of FUD from JRiver and others. $50 buys a lot of FUD. Be smart and use your dollars wisely.
    As a guy who used to manage a 50 person team that developed media players, "them are fighting words!"

    There is a lot more to a media player than how it stores the bit and how it opens the device to spit them out. For starters, is the interface. How easy is it to manage and store all of your metadata? People seem to like Jriver for its extensive metadata handling for classical music and such. Other considerations are richness of album metadata service and ripping accuracy. Most importantly for me personally is usability. How easy is it to find your content on the PC and increasingly these days, on a remote device? Is there a rich iPad or Android experience for example?

    I am personally not a fan of Jriver, having found it lacking in usability so I am not saying to defend Jriver. But let's not trivialize what is in these media players. I think the one we were developing crossed the one million lines of code!

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    Amir, we were talking about factors that effect sound, I believe, not ergonomics & UI.
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    He is asking why he can't go and use MySQL to build his own player and asking why a third party player would cost $50. The $50 didn't just toward reading and writing bits.

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    Ah, I see!
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    Quote Originally Posted by whose View Post
    It IS about 1-The correct bits delivered out USB or HDMI ports and 2-the external DAC being clocked properly (no audible jitter).

    I don't know if your post was agreeing or dis-agreeing?
    But really that is ALL THERE IS. Correct bits delivered externally, and the external DAC using these bits. The desired bitrate analog conversion rate is/should be known to the external DAC device

    Like I wrote, there is a lot of FUD from JRiver and others. $50 buys a lot of FUD. Be smart and use your dollars wisely.
    Except for the FUD part, I completely agree. But there is a very vocal contingent who believe that bits are not always bits.

    The timing problems people believe that USB introduces can be corrected or not by the DAC. A DAC should buffer and use the bits with it's own clock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jriver View Post
    Except for the FUD part, I completely agree. But there is a very vocal contingent who believe that bits are not always bits.

    The timing problems people believe that USB introduces can be corrected or not by the DAC. A DAC should buffer and use the bits with it's own clock.
    I mentioned noise, not timing - how do you suggest getting rid of that?
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