When is Hi-Res not really Hi-Res?
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Can you comment on what the source was? Original analog master tape, or a digital recording/copy?
Probably the dumbest thing I've read over at "CA"
"Compressed, and by quite a bit. I won't be buying it on the dynamic range plots alone."
"I just can't do this one, based on the compression. Too much chance (sorry, guys) that what sounds "good" is simply louder. "
They're talking about the Dead album "Workingman's Dead" which was ripped from a DVD-A. This is what happens when you listen with your eyes. You miss out on a ton of great music! Such a shame......
"Compressed, and by quite a bit. I won't be buying it on the dynamic range plots alone."
"I just can't do this one, based on the compression. Too much chance (sorry, guys) that what sounds "good" is simply louder. "
They're talking about the Dead album "Workingman's Dead" which was ripped from a DVD-A. This is what happens when you listen with your eyes. You miss out on a ton of great music! Such a shame......
I have friend with excellent ears who has owned that DVD-A for a while. He has told me on several occasions it sounds excellent.
I can tell you NONE of the Dead remasters I own, and I have just about all of them, are compressed or are victims of the loudness wars.
Bruce
maybe the question was already raised:
what/why is the difference between 96/24 and 192/24 transfers?
Frankly, it seems that I DO HEAR the difference, although 96/24 shall be perfect already, isn't it?
thanks,
maybe the question was already raised:
what/why is the difference between 96/24 and 192/24 transfers?
Frankly, it seems that I DO HEAR the difference, although 96/24 shall be perfect already, isn't it?
thanks,
The main difference is one has been recorded/transferred at a higher rate. The reason you're probably hearing a difference is that your DAC has a sweet spot at one particular freq. Most DAC's do. Another reason could be that the file was recorded/transferred at 24/192 and instead doing it again, they just downsampled to 24/96. This could or could not be a good converson.
I agree it's rare for Dead albums to be compressed (their HDCDs usually sound fantastic), but Workingman's Dead is not the original stereo mix, it is a remix. I personally think it does sound a bit too loud with no space for the music to breath.
Outside of classical music, it is probably the single best example I have come across where the higher resolution has really made a dramatic improvement. Plus it looks great to me at least by all the standard Audacity Cowboy criteria.
Thought i'd post a file of the Graceland album. What you have to do is to zoom in on where you think the problem area is. You can see the dip actually occurs before 22.05k. If this was an upsampled file, you would see a steeper cutoff at 22.05k and go below -100dB.
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Here is what upsampled files look like. As you can see, they both fall off the chart at -124dB, the theoretical limit of 24bit.
One file has been upsampled with Korg AudioGate and the other file has been upsampled with the Pyramix Apodizing filter.
One file has been upsampled with Korg AudioGate and the other file has been upsampled with the Pyramix Apodizing filter.
Now here is what it looks like if you don't zoom in. You can really see a brickwall at 22.05k
This is why when you are looking at spectral graphs, it may become necessary to manipulate the graph and zoom in so you can see what is really happening.
This is why when you are looking at spectral graphs, it may become necessary to manipulate the graph and zoom in so you can see what is really happening.
Thank you for the very illustrative graphs. Just for completeness, maybe one that shows how a CD that has been played through a DAC and then a normal analog studio mixer and equalizer chain, and then re-recorded from the analog in 96/24 or 192/24?
Bruce,
I tried to install the dynamic range meter in foobar and it won't install. Is there another reliable way to measure DR? I like the punchy bass in this remaster but it's less dynamic than the original. I just wanted to verify what I'm hearing.
I tried to install the dynamic range meter in foobar and it won't install. Is there another reliable way to measure DR? I like the punchy bass in this remaster but it's less dynamic than the original. I just wanted to verify what I'm hearing.
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