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    Accommodation pricing for the industry reviewer's ...your opinion?

    In another thread, Steve Williams and I have a true 'meeting of the minds' in regards to the ongoing practice of "Accommodation pricing" for industry reviewers. IMHO, I feel and I believe Steve agrees, that this issue of 'accommodation' is a VERY bad practice for our hobby that may well lead to dishonesty and if nothing else, a 'glowing' review that may or may not be warranted.
    I have said before in this forum and others that, again IMHO, there needs to be more discrimination by the reviewers in regards to the abilities of the various pieces of gear that are subjected to review in the 'high-end' industry. The practice of 'accommodation' would seem to me to lead to the antithesis of this idea.
    The practice of giving your reviewer a discount ( of any amount) off of the price of a piece of gear that is presented to be reviewed should, again IMHO, be immediately discontinued in the industry.
    Do we have any other thoughts on this matter.....

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    I have always found this practice troubling. Most companies over a very small size have strict compliance policies that forbid employees from receiving benefits or compensation from third parties. The reason for these policies is to avoid a potential conflict of interest. In my mind, accomodation pricing is a deep discount, and deep discounts are economically equivalent to compensation. It's simply a bad policy for a manufacturer to compensate an independent reviewer. The fact that particular reviewers can remain honest and impartial while receiving this benefit is a good thing but it doesn't change my view that the practice is inappropriate.
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    Jay

    I agree 100%

    Jay. you are an attorney. Are they any legal issues or are they just moral and ethical (to me at least)?
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    In another thread, Steve Williams and I have a true 'meeting of the minds' in regards to the ongoing practice of "Accommodation pricing" for industry reviewers. IMHO, I feel and I believe Steve agrees, that this issue of 'accommodation' is a VERY bad practice for our hobby that may well lead to dishonesty and if nothing else, a 'glowing' review that may or may not be warranted.
    It sounds bad, but I doubt it is much of a problem in practice. Imagine you're a busy audiophile journalist reviewing a component a month or more. Are you going to want to buy one that doesn't deserve glowing review in your opinion? Even at a discount? I think there are quite a few things ahead of accommodation pricing on the worried for our hobby list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phelonious Ponk View Post
    It sounds bad, but I doubt it is much of a problem in practice. Imagine you're a busy audiophile journalist reviewing a component a month or more. Are you going to want to buy one that doesn't deserve glowing review in your opinion? Even at a discount? I think there are quite a few things ahead of accommodation pricing on the worried for our hobby list.

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    Of course they won't buy it Tim, they only buy the ones they like. I also agree that there are other things further ahead of accommodation pricing

    Following along what Jay posted, IMO it amounts to nothing more than compensation. Imagine reviewing a product for $$$ megabucks MSRP and the reviewer gets this for 50% off. Heck that could amount to a review being worth many,many thousands of dollars. Tim,if you don't think that is compensation, tell me what is.

    Perhaps to even the field the manufacturer should issue them a 1099 for the monies not paid.
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    Tim, it's not always the case that the reviewer won't buy the piece under review unless he/she likes it. I used to have a friend ( who happened to be a reviewer for one of the two Big US audio mags) who bought the piece under review using his accommodation price even though he thought ( and told me) it was a POS. What does he do...he gives the piece ( in this instance an amp) a glowing review, then proceeds to sell it at a nice profit as soon as possible thereafter. You tell me if you think this is a problem?

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    Too bad Consumer Reports can't give a decent review of high-end audio. I also just think there are too many variables in reviewing. Some of these reviewers rooms are hideous. One prerequisite should be a decent room.
    I don't have a problem with accomodation pricing. Where the problem arises is at the end of the review. What happens then? Hell... if it's their business, they can take a tax write off.
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    I think some points are being missed here. First of all, reviewers are able to buy pretty much any piece of gear at accommodation prices whether they ever review it or not. The manufacturers aren't losing any money by selling the gear to reviewers at accommodation prices because the accommodation price is the same as dealers pay. So the point to this is that a reviewer isn't only going to get to buy something at an accommodation price if he reviews it first and gives it a rave review. As for reviewers, why in the hell would anyone want to be a reviewer if the job didn't have some perks? The pay sucks and you can't live on it unless you are Ted Kaczynski-like and live in a cabin in the woods but happen to be the Mennonite equivalent of the Amish and have electricity. The majority of reviewers have real jobs during the day that pays their bills. So, I guess I don't begrudge them the privilege of being able to buy things at 50% of what the rest of us are probably paying. And I would love to have that deal too of course.

    And the real dirty truth is that some smaller companies will sell directly to you at steeply discounted prices (can you say accommodation prices?) as long as you don't have a dealer in your immediate area and I know that from recent personal experience.

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    And here is something else to think about. If brick and mortar stores went away along with their distribution channel for high-end manufacturers and we (consumers) could all buy their gear at dealer price/accommodation price (same thing me thinks), would there be enough increase in the manufacture’s sales that they could off-set the losses they would incur by not moving product through the distribution channel? If the answer is yes, they could dump the present dealer model and just sell direct to all of us at the price point they need to make a profit and succeed and we would all by paying half of what we currently pay.

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    Given the right tools and a couple of people who know how to use them, I think Consumer Reports might be great at audiophile reviews. Those of us in the hobby and the industry might be the most experienced listeners, but we are the least objective ones. The problem is the industry isn't big enough to be on Consumer Reports' radar.

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