Hi, all the only innovation was the original Loudspeaker itself everything that followed was an improvement only! nothing more no matter what material or shape or design, Therefore all credit for innovation must be given to the person who had the original idea! And not to those who improved a nother mans work.
Some tantalizing rumors about Wilson and Magico
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Hi, all the only innovation was the original Loudspeaker itself everything that followed was an improvement only! nothing more no matter what material or shape or design, Therefore all credit for innovation must be given to the person who had the original idea! And not to those who improved a nother mans work.
But referring to their passive crossovers Vivid writes:
"For a set of drivers to blend together seamlessly into a whole it is essential
that their individual acoustic responses adhere accurately to certain defined filter shapes.
We have chosen fourth order Linkwitz-Riley filters because of their ideal phase
and summations characters through each crossover point with also yield symmetrical
dispersion patterns."
Linkwitz writes:
" ... The only excuse for passive crossovers is their low cost. Their behavior changes with the signal level dependent dynamics of the drivers. They block the power amplifier from taking maximum control over the voice coil motion. They are a waste of time, if accuracy of reproduction is the goal."
You must need to clean your glasses or get your eyes checked or ...... . I said absolutely NOTHING about Wilson or Magico. ZERO/ZIP/NADA. My comments were about (if you clean your glasses and re-read what I wrote) Vandersteen, Theil and MBL.
And tell me how new ways to build cabinets is innovative. Not in my book.
Are Magico and Wilson great speakers? Absolutely. Are they highly innovative, Absolutely not.
I'd very much like to enjoy innovation in the form of a full-range "plasma" driver/loudspeaker, i.e. Hill Plasmatronics transducing full-range sans any other type of driver
I'd very much like to enjoy innovation in the form of a full-range "plasma" driver/loudspeaker, i.e. Hill Plasmatronics transducing full-range sans any other type of driver
Roll up that Helium tanker
Wasn't that what John Iverson was working on and showed at one CES?
If we're going to toss the term distortion around:
http://www.passlabs.com/pdfs/articles/distortion_and_feedback.pdf
http://www.passlabs.com/pdfs/articles/distortion_and_feedback.pdf
Roll up that Helium tanker
Wasn't that what John Iverson was working on and showed at one CES?
Shoot, I'll arrange for the He to be piped in, then I can pay for it in bulk
Uncertain about John Iverson...have to research that one!
Shoot, I'll arrange for the He to be piped in, then I can pay for it in bulk
Uncertain about John Iverson...have to research that one!
I seem to remember a picture of that speaker (maybe) on the cover of an old Stereophile (?). Could have been something from Nelson Pass possibly too. Maybe it's in the SP archives.
Myles,
This may be the file...http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS0ekmj248kivWAwaA1I58O9JIDDSgyd-AQFq8-oVVEOmKTdHGe&t=1
That's a great find and argument!
Reminds me of the designer of Talon telling me he had a single capacitor which cost $1,000. I don't know any active design which would require such a capacitor!
While installing a new garbage disposal a couple of months ago, I was suddenly struck with the desire to build a pair of Linkwitz Plutos...
One of these days I'll get around to it, but who needs aluminum cabinets and Ferrarri paint when you've got plumbing?
Tim
One of these days I'll get around to it, but who needs aluminum cabinets and Ferrarri paint when you've got plumbing?
Tim
FYI- Elberoth is not a dealer. He's a reviewer like you.
From the pictures on audiogon, looks like he's got a great listening room.
While installing a new garbage disposal a couple of months ago, I was suddenly struck with the desire to build a pair of Linkwitz Plutos...
One of these days I'll get around to it, but who needs aluminum cabinets and Ferrarri paint when you've got plumbing?
Tim
Say,
I think I recall those...one really does employ plumbing
Speaking about innovation, I would also say Quad was really innovative when they introduced the ESL63 to market - as far as I know it was the first time a speaker was created to emulate a perfect point source, using a planar system controlled by a progressive crossover with delay lines.
Magico are great sounding speakers, but some credit should also be given to the Goldmund Epilogue series - they were selling all metal speakers built using hard-brass, soft-brass, aluminum and steel more than a decade ago. I remember seeing advertisements with photos of their elaborated internal bracing systems, built with several metals.
they are not innovative
Ah Randall, I guess you just haven't been with Soundstage Network long enough to discover that what is innovative by your reviewers one day are trashed the next. I would also be happy to post some very interesting conversations here between myself and the reviewer shortly after he heard the demo at DW's house. Needless to say he was impressed then.
Ahhh but I guess I am demonstrating some bias here.
http://www.ultraaudio.com/features/2004_02_01.htm
Granted the review was 6 years ago but I am always interested to see how the glow of a review one year by the reviewer becomes the tarnish of the same reviewers the next year. Seems to me the reviewer at that time indeed had a pair of X-2 Series l's. A similar comment at the same time by the same reviewer regarding Halcro amps also said that this amp was the cat's meow and far ahead of anything else. Interesting how the reviewer dumped his Halcro the following year because it no longer met his expectations. I say this not to denigrate the reviewer but to illustrate the very issue with which I have a problem
Sometimes innovation is just finding a way of making some existing thing in a more effective and cheaper mode. This way it can reach and be used by much more people.
Although it can not be called innovative - I remember reading Jeff used this technique to cancel a bass mode in his room using an huge Watchdog subwoofer - if someone could design an active bass trap of small size that could replace a lot of ugly big bass trap panels in the listening room, it would be a success. But it seems some innovation is still needed to produce it ...
Although it can not be called innovative - I remember reading Jeff used this technique to cancel a bass mode in his room using an huge Watchdog subwoofer - if someone could design an active bass trap of small size that could replace a lot of ugly big bass trap panels in the listening room, it would be a success. But it seems some innovation is still needed to produce it ...
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