Shocking news about the Roseanne TV Show

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Any body remember what I thought was one of the best shows on TV, Archie Bunker. That show was done 40 years ago and was so politically incorrect with everything said that we had to laugh. IMO it brought America together rather than tearing it apart. What Archie said, how he treated women and his opinion of black America was often uncomfortable but in the end it was done so well that it was hysterical.

Who can ever forget Archie facial expression when he was kissed by Sammy Davis Jr
 

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But if it's not in your contract or bylaws or something for where you work, is it right to be able to punish the employee?

ABC can cancel any program they want at any time. Depending on who owns the rights to the Rosanne Show, Bar can take the show to another channel. The Christian Broadcasting Network would be a great choice, they don't care about offensive tweets.
 

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Agreed 100%. The NFL should put rules into place that fines or fires players that don't align with their principles, ie standing for the National Anthem. And........the consumers have spoken, the NFL had a terrible year for viewership.

Personally I think it should be even more basic than that. They can have whatever rules they want but the player can be fired at the discretion of the owner as is his/her right. Unfortunately in today’s world employers are limited by Progressives.
 

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But if it's not in your contract or bylaws or something for where you work, is it right to be able to punish the employee?

As a teacher you have the understanding in contract that you as an individual represent the school district when in public. It's a generic clause that is somewhat encompassing, but understood. While I do think the 'punishment' in this instance is a bit too much (Roseanne is a comedian and they by nature do go over the lines sometimes), I can't fault ABC for distancing themselves. Roseanne represented the ABC brand by having a show there and her poor judgment cost her that affiliation.

I do think often times employers in the public's eyes are too swift to terminate employment with their employees over minor lapses in judgment. On the flip side, I also feel that social media in and of itself is a parasite to society and allows too much poor judgment to leak into the public. We would be better off without it.
 

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Any body remember what I thought was one of the best shows on TV, Archie Bunker. That show was done 40 years ago and was so politically incorrect with everything said that we had to laugh. IMO it brought America together rather than tearing it apart. What Archie said, how he treated women and his opinion of black America was often uncomfortable but in the end it was done so well that it was hysterical.

Who can ever forget Archie facial expression when he was kissed by Sammy Davis Jr

But the entire show was set up to make fun of Archie and his racism....he was the but of most of the jokes. And time and time again, his racism and sexism was proved wrong. That was the point. This is different.
 

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Any body remember what I thought was one of the best shows on TV, Archie Bunker. That show was done 40 years ago and was so politically incorrect with everything said that we had to laugh. IMO it brought America together rather than tearing it apart. What Archie said, how he treated women and his opinion of black America was often uncomfortable but in the end it was done so well that it was hysterical.

Who can ever forget Archie facial expression when he was kissed by Sammy Davis Jr

Steve

Some of the funniest comedy ever was making fun of ethnicity, race, men and women.

In today’s PC world we have literally wiped out real entertainment in favor of PC mentality.

How about Animal House, Trading Places, Jackie Mason, Honeymooners, Caddyshack etc.

I was at a wedding in Simi Valley this weekend and had to be very careful. I felt like I was with aliens.
 

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But the entire show was set up to make fun of Archie and his racism....he was the but of most of the jokes. And time and time again, his racism and sexism was proved wrong. That was the point. This is different.

Actually some of the most racist, anti-Semitic and misogynistic comedy was spawned from Hollywood when it WASN’T considered racist, misogynistic or anti-Semitic to be self deprecating and be able to just enjoy making fun of our foibles and varying cultures. It was a more cohesive time than our current divisive times.
 

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Just goes to show you the network & media bias towards any conservative opinion even or specially if it's successful, ABC did the same thing to Tim Allen's Last Man Standing!

david

A conservative opinion is one thing. Nothing against it, I also found Chuck Schumer to be an idiot for supporting Trump's steel tariffs -- if that makes me a conservative free-trader so be it (I guess I am too centrist to be a true liberal). But racist slander is a wholly different matter. Unfortunately today's conservatism often equals racism, rather than a plain ole fashioned economic stance (the latter to which I am somewhat sympathetic), so we have a problem.

She's such an idiot. Her show was absolutely killing it and she was even getting support from the left's "free speech" wing.

Most people misunderstand the 1st Amendment. The 1st Amendment grants you protection from the government, not your employer. If you work at McDonalds, they have the right to fire you if you call a black customer an ape.

Rosanne does not have the freedom from being fired if she says something racist. The Constitution has few protections for the stupid.

You nailed it.
 

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ABC did not violate Roseanne's first amendment rights. They made a business decision not to be associated with someone who would say what she did. This isn't political. They were fine having a right leaning show in their network as long as it was popular. All she had to do was behave. She didn't and they fired her.
 

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Actually some of the most racist, anti-Semitic and misogynistic comedy was spawned from Hollywood when it WASN’T considered racist, misogynistic or anti-Semitic to be self deprecating and be able to just enjoy making fun of our foibles and varying cultures. It was a more cohesive time than our current divisive times.

Yes- the entire Mel Brooks catalog basically couldn't be made today.

But that wasn't what Roseanne was doing.
 

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But the entire show was set up to make fun of Archie and his racism....he was the but of most of the jokes. And time and time again, his racism and sexism was proved wrong. That was the point. This is different.

Damn right it is different. Your description of the whole point of the show is spot on. Remember, All in the Family was a tv show. This isn’t Roseann’s character tweeting this, it is HER. She compared a person of African descent to an APE. Disgusting and disgraceful. I am retired now but if someone in my employ had done this they would be fired. If a family member did this at my home on Thanksgiving, I would ask them to get out. The first amendment has nothing to do with it. The first amendment requires government action. Not the government taking action here, just a business taking action against an employee who embarrassed them. Their right. I find it hard to believe that people on here would defend this type of behavior.
 

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Yes- the entire Mel Brooks catalog basically couldn't be made today.

But that wasn't what Roseanne was doing.

Exactly. She attacked a particular person.

In today's world Don Rickles wouldn't have a career.
 

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Damn right it is different. Your description of the whole point of the show is spot on. Remember, All in the Family was a tv show. This isn’t Roseann’s character tweeting this, it is HER. She compared a person of African descent to an APE. Disgusting and disgraceful. I am retired now but if someone in my employ had done this they would be fired. If a family member did this at my home on Thanksgiving, I would ask them to get out. The first amendment has nothing to do with it. The first amendment requires government action. Not the government taking action here, just a business taking action against an employee who embarrassed them. Their right. I find it hard to believe that people on here would defend this type of behavior.

Right on.
 

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Just goes to show you the network & media bias towards any conservative opinion even or specially if it's successful, ABC did the same thing to Tim Allen's Last Man Standing!

david

So, comparing a black person to an ape is conservative opinion. Thanks for confirming that.
 

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Damn right it is different. Your description of the whole point of the show is spot on. Remember, All in the Family was a tv show. This isn’t Roseann’s character tweeting this, it is HER. She compared a person of African descent to an APE. Disgusting and disgraceful. I am retired now but if someone in my employ had done this they would be fired. If a family member did this at my home on Thanksgiving, I would ask them to get out. The first amendment has nothing to do with it. The first amendment requires government action. Not the government taking action here, just a business taking action against an employee who embarrassed them. Their right. I find it hard to believe that people on here would defend this type of behavior.

Perfectly said.
 

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So, comparing a black person to an ape is conservative opinion. Thanks for confirming that.

Yup. As I said, unfortunately today's conservatism often equals racism, rather than a plain ole fashioned economic stance. I'd have no problem with the latter.
 

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Exactly. She attacked a particular person.

In today's world Don Rickles wouldn't have a career.

She attacked a person with a racial slur. She wasn’t making fun or trying to point out social issues, a slur pure and simple. Plus, you have her tin foil hat attacks on Soros. Look, we can disagree on policy and the like, but name calling and slurs have no place.
 

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Yes- the entire Mel Brooks catalog basically couldn't be made today.

But that wasn't what Roseanne was doing.

I understand it wasn’t what she was doing and it’s ABC’s prerogative to fire her for her comments.

You should watch the making of Animal House. The only thing more racist than the movie was listening to Reitman and Ramis rationalizing the movie 30 years later. They literally said, we expected blacks to “riot and attack movie theaters and rip out the seats” as though of course, that is the way “they” act.

The point being the left can be as racist or misogynistic as they want and it gets accepted as “comedy” as Maher calling Milo an “impish fag” or Palin a “dumb twat & dumb cu-t” and the silence is deafening.
 

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She attacked a person with a racial slur. She wasn’t making fun or trying to point out social issues, a slur pure and simple. Plus, you have her tin foil hat attacks on Soros. Look, we can disagree on policy and the like, but name calling and slurs have no place.

So why is Bill Maher and other late night TV hosts still have a job??
 

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She attacked a person with a racial slur. She wasn’t making fun or trying to point out social issues, a slur pure and simple. Plus, you have her tin foil hat attacks on Soros. Look, we can disagree on policy and the like, but name calling and slurs have no place.

Racial and religious all in one.
 
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