Degritter ultrasonic record cleaner

spiritofmusic · Apr 21, 2018

Dave, i PROMISE not to try it with a better than stock pwr cord.

On my life!

ddk · Apr 21, 2018

spiritofmusic said:
Dave, i PROMISE not to try it with a better than stock pwr cord.

On my life!

!

david

bonzo75 · Apr 21, 2018

jeff1225 · Apr 21, 2018

asiufy said:
I think it's pointless to clean a record with just water, ultrasound or not. A lot of the crap that gets deposited in a record needs those chemicals to be brought closer to surface, or at least get them loose so the ultrasound blast in water bath can work properly.
The Audio Desk also does not vacuum, it blows air into the record to dry it. This makes the records completely static-free, while vacuum drying will generally leave the record with lots more static than it began with.

Industrial ultrasonic cleaners are used in the automotive, sporting, printing, marine, medical, pharmaceutical, electroplating, disk drive components, engineering and weapons industries. It's an old technology that is proven to work....and water is all you need.

spiritofmusic · Apr 21, 2018

But now I think about it...

jeff1225 · Apr 21, 2018

Tango said:
Less clicks and pops and no dust collecting on the needle do it for me.

Kind regards,
Tang

I haven't used my needle cleaner ONCE since I purchased the KLAUDIO.

asiufy · Apr 21, 2018

jeffrey_t said:
Industrial ultrasonic cleaners are used in the automotive, sporting, printing, marine, medical, pharmaceutical, electroplating, disk drive components, engineering and weapons industries. It's an old technology that is proven to work....and water is all you need.

If you say so, that's fine. My tests, on vinyl alone, show that greasy records will come out greasy without the added chemicals. Thus any machine running on water alone does not interest me.

jeff1225 · Apr 21, 2018

asiufy said:
If you say so, that's fine. My tests, on vinyl alone, show that greasy records will come out greasy without the added chemicals. Thus any machine running on water alone does not interest me.

Your tests were of course with the KLAUDIO.

spiritofmusic · Apr 21, 2018

The Degritter is designed to be used with additional cleaning solution, but one can opt for water-only as well.

Dave’s comments on potential harshness from other machines I believe is the critical reason why the Degritter team have gone for the “gentler” 120Hz choice.

If what Dave says is true, then this really is a positive, and indeed unique approach.

jeff1225 · Apr 21, 2018

spiritofmusic said:
The Degritter is designed to be used with additional cleaning solution, but one can opt for water-only as well.

Dave’s comments on potential harshness from other machines I believe is the critical reason why the Degritter team have gone for the “gentler” 120Hz choice.

If what Dave says is true, then this really is a positive, and indeed unique approach.

I have cleaned 100's of records on the KLAUDIO, most of them at the maximum 5 minute setting, and there is zero degradation in sound. I'd like to ask DDK for SPECIFICS regarding degradation of sound with ultrasonic cleaning. Tell us your story David.

ddk · Apr 21, 2018

jeffrey_t said:
I have cleaned 100's of records on the KLAUDIO, most of them at the maximum 5 minute setting, and there is zero degradation in sound. I'd like to ask DDK for SPECIFICS regarding degradation of sound with ultrasonic cleaning. Tell us your story David.

I heard a distortion in the upper frequencies after cleaning with the KL, I had a couple of other people independently tell me the same thing. It could have been a problem with the early versions, just some or all I wouldn’t know only what I heard after using mine.

david

asiufy · Apr 21, 2018

jeffrey_t said:
Your tests were of course with the KLAUDIO.

No, I wouldn't put my records on a KL Audio if you paid me. I'm with ddk on this one.

DaveyF · Apr 21, 2018

asiufy said:
No, I wouldn't put my records on a KL Audio if you paid me. I'm with ddk on this one.

Wow,this is turning into a very interesting thread. I would never have guessed the KL was a problem. I’m still using the old fashioned VPI 16.5 and all of the various fluids and so forth from Mobile Fidelity....works very well.
OTOH, I was curious about the new ultrasonic machines. The price has never been that attractive to me, but maybe the new little toaster can be a candidate.

microstrip · Apr 21, 2018

spiritofmusic said:
The Degritter is designed to be used with additional cleaning solution, but one can opt for water-only as well.

Dave’s comments on potential harshness from other machines I believe is the critical reason why the Degritter team have gone for the “gentler” 120Hz choice.

If what Dave says is true, then this really is a positive, and indeed unique approach.

120Hz?

asiufy · Apr 21, 2018

I saw the toaster thing many moons ago, but like many here, was put off by the "euro only" tester limitation. I would've gladly tried it, as it looks like a better realized (and finished) Audio Desk!

awsmone · Apr 21, 2018

DaveyF said:
Wow,this is turning into a very interesting thread. I would never have guessed the KL was a problem. I’m still using the old fashioned VPI 16.5 and all of the various fluids and so forth from Mobile Fidelity....works very well.
OTOH, I was curious about the new ultrasonic machines. The price has never been that attractive to me, but maybe the new little toaster can be a candidate.

I think this is unlikely as the damage would be visible on a microscope easily, if it's audible

Plus if it is a non linear distortion I would suspect it should change in frequency with the record towards the inner groove

A way to test this would be to place a record in ultrasound bath without any rotation,therefore part of the record would be untouched and see if the distortion comes and goes

I note I just cleaned one of my ultrasound machines, which does 8 records at a time

There was not one fleck of black on the bottom when I cleaned it today !

ddk · Apr 21, 2018

asiufy said:
I saw the toaster thing many moons ago, but like many here, was put off by the "euro only" tester limitation. I would've gladly tried it, as it looks like a better realized (and finished) Audio Desk!

Not sure how that 120hz frequency if it's actually correct will perform in 120v/60hz, things change when you go from 50hz to 60hz.

david

jeff1225 · Apr 21, 2018

asiufy said:
No, I wouldn't put my records on a KL Audio if you paid me. I'm with ddk on this one.

So.....you tested using only water in a machine that wasn't developed to just use water and concluded that just water isn't good enough to clean records?

Hilarious, thanks for the chuckle.

asiufy · Apr 21, 2018

jeffrey_t said:
So.....you tested using only water in a machine that wasn't developed to just use water and concluded that just water isn't good enough to clean records?

Hilarious, thanks for the chuckle.

But wait... Didn't you just say that "water is all you need", for "ultrasonic cleaners". I thought we were talking about an ultrasonic cleaner, old technology, as you said, and not some specific contraption...

jeff1225 · Apr 21, 2018

asiufy said:
But wait... Didn't you just say that "water is all you need", for "ultrasonic cleaners". I thought we were talking about an ultrasonic cleaner, old technology, as you said, and not some specific contraption...

Seriously, you've lost all credibility on this thread.....please move on.

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