Zero Distortion: Magic M3 with Jadis 200, Techdas AF3 and AF1

bonzo75 · Mar 9, 2018

Zero Distortion: Magico M3 with Jadis 200, Techdas AF3 and AF1

http://zero-distortion.org/magico-m3-jadis-techdas-af3af1-alta-audio

Listening to Jadis 200 on the Magico M3, in the same room that I had the S5 Mk2 with Kondo Kagura and Vitus in a prior visit. Also the AF1 and AF3 next to each other.

bonzo75 · Mar 9, 2018

Speakers

Tango · Mar 9, 2018

Your link isnt working my friend.

bonzo75 · Mar 9, 2018

Fixed

microstrip · Mar 9, 2018

bonzo75 said:
Fixed

Thanks.

What were the ICs and speaker cables being used with the Jadis?

Can you add a few comments about what you listened on the Goldmunds - was is the Satya?

bonzo75 · Mar 9, 2018

All Enklein David cables (signal cables, except Tara Labs GrandMaster Evolution PC’s on the amps and on the Satyas).

Played on Goldmund - Rubinstein emperor, Ricci Lalo Symphagnole, Argenta Espana. We played the first LP a bit longer to warm up the cart.

DaveyF · Mar 9, 2018

Wow, that’s a ton of gear in a very small looking room. LOL, this guy obviously doesn’t prescribe to Ivor Tiefenbrun’s idea that only one set of speakers should be in the room, otherwise you are actually listening to multiple speakers without realizing it. I think this actually does make some sense..

microstrip · Mar 9, 2018

bonzo75 said:
All Enklein David cables (signal cables, except Tara Labs GrandMaster Evolution PC’s on the amps and on the Satyas).

Played on Goldmund - Rubinstein emperor, Ricci Lalo Symphagnole, Argenta Espana. We played the first LP a bit longer to warm up the cart.

How did it sound, compared to the more conventional systems you had been listening?

KeithR · Mar 9, 2018

that Alta speaker has some issues technically:

https://www.stereophile.com/content/alta-audio-hestia-titanium-loudspeaker-measurements

i'm curious if you concur with JA.

morricab · Mar 9, 2018

KeithR said:
that Alta speaker has some issues technically:

https://www.stereophile.com/content/alta-audio-hestia-titanium-loudspeaker-measurements

i'm curious if you concur with JA.

Indeed. +10db over a broad range in the bass and a 5db dip in the presence region. That might work well for big orchestra where a full bottom and distant perspective might give a nice midhall feeling. However it will not sound really natural with other music.

bonzo75 · Mar 9, 2018

microstrip said:
How did it sound, compared to the more conventional systems you had been listening?

Would an analog guy like to get the technics with its arm and cart fixed, or would they like the more flexible table? Many conventional set ups sound worse as people screw them up, while the ones where they get it right sound better.

It also depends what's your current preference, e.g. An SS Magico guy will take top it more easily than a set horn or ribbon guy. That said ALF had Mike's ML3 for 10 years, and he bought this.

Pietro of yamamura owns the old big apologue. He prefers both, slightly Yam, I prefer yam much more.

F1eng owns the older epilogue and the tune audio Anima, he prefers both, I prefer the Anima.

morricab · Mar 9, 2018

bonzo75 said:
http://zero-distortion.org/magico-m3-jadis-techdas-af3af1-alta-audio

Listening to Jadis 200 on the Magico M3, in the same room that I had the S5 Mk2 with Kondo Kagura and Vitus in a prior visit. Also the AF1 and AF3 next to each other.

Your blanket condemnation of SETs with cones is misguided. While I agree Jadis are good sounding amps, with easy to drive speakers they not superior to a good SET...IMO.

I did a comparison of KR VA350i against Jadis Defy 7 mkiii on 94db Focal Mezzo Utopia Be and while pretty close KR was still clearly better overall and in particular soundstage layering and instrument tone and decay.

KeithR · Mar 9, 2018

morricab said:
I did a comparison of KR VA350i against Jadis Defy 7 mkiii on 94db Focal Mezzo Utopia Be and while pretty close KR was still clearly better overall and in particular soundstage layering and instrument tone and decay.

that's like a 30 year old Jadis amp and not even their top series.

Rhapsody · Mar 9, 2018

DaveyF said:
Wow, that’s a ton of gear in a very small looking room. LOL, this guy obviously doesn’t prescribe to Ivor Tiefenbrun’s idea that only one set of speakers should be in the room, otherwise you are actually listening to multiple speakers without realizing it. I think this actually does make some sense..

I'm "this guy" LOL. Of course it is ideal sonically to have one set of speakers in a room, no disagreement there. Most have known that since the 70's, or at least that's when I learned it.

The room that Ked visited is a "work space". Rhapsody has visitors from all over the world visiting on a weekly basis. Everyone wants to hear different gear and they don't have time to have us moving speakers/amps/tables in and out of the room. We've done that in the past, and it doesn't work from a business perspetive. I have personally quizzed 10+ customers who have bought substantial systems from Rhapsody. They all love the space just the way it is, several have said they would love to just live in the space. It has a 200" projection system in it as well.

We do have a separate room (we have two Manhattan locations 4 blocks from each other) that we use when dealing with certain clientle and especially architects/designers that only has one set of speakers.

You have to visit and experience our "workspace" and my personal laboratory to see if you hate it or like it. Here's a pic of our one speaker space with a pair of active Goldmund Metis Towers.

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bonzo75 · Mar 9, 2018

morricab said:
Your blanket condemnation of SETs with cones is misguided. While I agree Jadis are good sounding amps, with easy to drive speakers they not superior to a good SET...IMO.

I did a comparison of KR VA350i against Jadis Defy 7 mkiii on 94db Focal Mezzo Utopia Be and while pretty close KR was still clearly better overall and in particular soundstage layering and instrument tone and decay.

Well you liked that KR integrated on the Acoustats too and I disagree the Sphinx was so much better. Plus KR is a reverse hybrid

microstrip · Mar 9, 2018

bonzo75 said:
Would an analog guy like to get the technics with its arm and cart fixed, or would they like the more flexible table? Many conventional set ups sound worse as people screw them up, while the ones where they get it right sound better.

It also depends what's your current preference, e.g. An SS Magico guy will take top it more easily than a set horn or ribbon guy. That said ALF had Mike's ML3 for 10 years, and he bought this.

Pietro of yamamura owns the old big apologue. He prefers both, slightly Yam, I prefer yam much more.

F1eng owns the older epilogue and the tune audio Anima, he prefers both, I prefer the Anima.

OK. I can now guess you were using earplugs when you listened to the Satyas ... Or you really enjoyed them and do want to not assume it

BTW, as far as I remember ALF is also getting a vintage Altec/SET based system. WBF members are becoming bipolar!

microstrip · Mar 9, 2018

KeithR said:
that's like a 30 year old Jadis amp and not even their top series.

Even so, it was the preferred Jadis of Gary Koh, when strapped in mono blocks.

bonzo75 · Mar 9, 2018

microstrip said:
OK. I can now guess you were using earplugs when you listened to the Satyas ... Or you really enjoyed them and do want to not assume it

BTW, as far as I remember ALF is also getting a vintage Altec/SET based system. WBF members are becoming bipolar!

And what is someone who owns Soundlabs and Wilsons, dipolar?

microstrip · Mar 9, 2018

bonzo75 said:
And what is someone who owns Soundlabs and Wilsons, dipolar?

Surely - particularly if he also owns of ESL63s!

DaveyF · Mar 9, 2018

rvisinta said:
I'm "this guy" LOL. Of course it is ideal sonically to have one set of speakers in a room, no disagreement there. Most have known that since the 70's, or at least that's when I learned it.

The room that Ked visited is a "work space". Rhapsody has visitors from all over the world visiting on a weekly basis. Everyone wants to hear different gear and they don't have time to have us moving speakers/amps/tables in and out of the room. We've done that in the past, and it doesn't work from a business perspetive. I have personally quizzed 10+ customers who have bought substantial systems from Rhapsody. They all love the space just the way it is, several have said they would love to just live in the space. It has a 200" projection system in it as well.

We do have a separate room (we have two Manhattan locations 4 blocks from each other) that we use when dealing with certain clientle and especially architects/designers that only has one set of speakers.

You have to visit and experience our "workspace" and my personal laboratory to see if you hate it or like it. Here's a pic of our one speaker space with a pair of active Goldmund Metis Towers.
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Honestly, I think I would prefer the smaller room, LOL.

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