Wonderful write up , that room/system looks great..
As to bass / subs... mobius , you being a G3 vivid owner ... a set of G1's spirits is the answer..no subs required..ever!!!
I totally agree. I even found him a pair several weeks ago.
Wonderful write up , that room/system looks great..
As to bass / subs... mobius , you being a G3 vivid owner ... a set of G1's spirits is the answer..no subs required..ever!!!
Bobby's place is always good fun, he's a generous host and a great friend here's a clandestine picture of the secret lair.
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david
I have my JL Audio F112v2 standing on ASC SubTraps. Without these and with the subs sitting on the floor the sound would be muddy; I know this from my previous sub. It depends of course on the floor you have. I have wood floor that shakes with bass.
With SubTraps I have clean, fast, resolved bass from the JL Audios.
As fond as I was of the Exquisites we both owned Mike these are a lot easier to drive much livelier and more dynamic speaker, they sound quite different too.
david
Quick question before returning to the main system here...what crossover level do you use on your JLs? I have great things about the ASC...but i cut the Velodyne's above 40hz (36db slope so relatively steep). The measurements and reviews seem to focus on reducing blur and excess energy above 50hz-90hz...if i play music this sub is often off until you get the call for the whallop.
Thanks for any guidance on this.
you must be reading my mind while dreaming.Wonderful write up , that room/system looks great..
As to bass / subs... mobius , you being a G3 vivid owner ... a set of G1's spirits is the answer..no subs required..ever!!!
Well, that's kind of interesting. Even though I have monitors, with my previous REL Storm III the crossover was at 41 Hz, and I don't know the slope. With the JL Audios it's different. They suggest crossover at 80 (!) Hz (for any speaker that is, not just monitors), and I said: What?
But then I tried it, and I actually like 80 Hz quite well, better than lower frequencies. With the REL I would have gotten unbearable mid-bass boom at that high of a cross-over frequency (50 Hz was already bad). And the fun part is, I use the shallow 12dB/octave slope on the JL Audio, the 24 dB slope was too sudden for me (again, this is with monitors, not full-range speakers). Even with all that, I have no fouling up of the mid-range with the JL Audio, at least not one that I perceive. So I am a bit puzzled myself, I may say.
[Since I have only a medium-sized room I use low frequency trim (at 24 Hz) of -8 dB from neutral. Glad that JL Audio offers that option of trimming, recommended for small to medium-sized rooms, since otherwise with some recordings I would have run into trouble (unpleasant temporal smear on certain drum recordings, for example).]
Again, I do think the ASC SubTraps are mandatory. Unfortunately, for big subs like also the JL Gotham the SubTrap may be either too small (even in the 22 inch version) or may not be able to carry the weight (max. 250 pounds, the Gotham is 360 pounds).
I am intrigued that JL like 80hz for all speakers...i think Steve uses them now with his big Wilsons...but cuts them off above 38-41 hz as i recall which is how Wilson recommend subs be integrated...whom to believe...Wilson or JL? In my case, with Velodyne, 40hz works well.
For full-range speakers like Steve's Wilsons an 80 Hz cut-off almost certainly would not work. With my monitors it does. Is it the best? Don't know yet, I may end up at 70 Hz or so, have to play around more (I like 80 Hz better than 55 Hz which I also tried). But I'll wait with fine-tuning until the break-in phase of my new gear is over.
The wood panels and resonators are part of the Shun Mook concept you'll see it on their website but what's not visible in the pict are the two rare Mook racks on either side of the American Sound. They are incredible looking, probably the most beautiful racks I've seen.
david
If those were the full blooded ebony racks yes they are incredibly beautiful. silly expensive though a two tier costs almost 10k or some ridiculous amount. Beautifully done ebony
Yes. Subs muddy up the mids and highs with loss of definition.
david
It's a problem of phase... all phase. Well placement and directions matter too. There is a way to integrate, and a zillion ways not to integrate.
FWIW, I’m embarrassed to admit my integral Zu subs have been crossed too high.
I’ve been irritated by smeared opaque mids and lack of treble air, esp off lp, for quite a while.
So, dropped the crossover from 40Hz to 30Hz, and level from 5/10 to 3-4/10.
One of the biggest positive changes I’ve wrought, w the big bonus of costing precisely £/$/€/¥0.00
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