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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveyF View Post
    How does your Tsugaru compare to the other cartridge(s) that you have on hand?
    Hello DaveyF,
    for now it is my only Koetsu, and with Koetsu headshell on the IKEDA 407, its sound great, very very musical (whatever that mean) and with a wall big presentation.
    it is like (i think) most Koetsu's very "Mid" oriented so his sound signature is very Lush, liquid and big.
    But, i think it is more suitable to Rock or Jazz Music if i need to choose it V.s the others i've got. i listen mostly to Classical music, and with HUGE orchestra or piano kind of numbers, i would like more resolution and dynamics with some more open high frequencies and natural voicing. also i think K' sound house timber is a little odd, its a nice odd, but still.
    that why i'm thinking maybe to get one of the stones body Koetsu's. to get that K magic with all of the above detail and resolution. a different "voicing" cart, i can handle and its probably cool thing to have. for tailor some printing in to it.
    after all i said, i think it was a great Buy and its a beautiful cartridge to look at and to play with! i have several lp's that was never sound so good till i played them with the Tsugaru.
    i have my finger crosse that the Blue lace or the Coralstone will do everything WAY better and still will play that Big and liquid. that will be a dream cart.
    Speakers:Magico Q3 Preamp:E.A.R 912 Amp:Luxman m900
    Cables:Siltech Double Crown Power:Nordost Odin1,Argento master flow
    Digital: Metronome C8/Aurender N10
    TT1TechDAS AF3/Thales Simplicity II/Ortofon RS212D/DV507MK2
    TT2:Torqueo T34 Exclusive Zebrano/ikeda 407
    Carts': Ortofon Anna,Zyx R1000 airy3,VDH Colibri Stradivarius,EMT XSD15,Murasakino Sumile,Koetsu Tsugaru,Top Wing Suzaku,DS W2
    Phono: CH Precision P1 Racks: Solid Tech Rack of silence reference Power treatmentPs Audio P10

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    Quote Originally Posted by byrdparis View Post
    Hello DaveyF,
    for now it is my only Koetsu, and with Koetsu headshell on the IKEDA 407, its sound great, very very musical (whatever that mean) and with a wall big presentation.
    it is like (i think) most Koetsu's very "Mid" oriented so his sound signature is very Lush, liquid and big.
    But, i think it is more suitable to Rock or Jazz Music if i need to choose it V.s the others i've got. i listen mostly to Classical music, and with HUGE orchestra or piano kind of numbers, i would like more resolution and dynamics with some more open high frequencies and natural voicing. also i think K' sound house timber is a little odd, its a nice odd, but still.
    that why i'm thinking maybe to get one of the stones body Koetsu's. to get that K magic with all of the above detail and resolution. a different "voicing" cart, i can handle and its probably cool thing to have. for tailor some printing in to it.
    after all i said, i think it was a great Buy and its a beautiful cartridge to look at and to play with! i have several lp's that was never sound so good till i played them with the Tsugaru.
    i have my finger crosse that the Blue lace or the Coralstone will do everything WAY better and still will play that Big and liquid. that will be a dream cart.

    Thanks for the reply. Couple of thoughts here: I suspect that the Tsugaru will actually do a lot better in an arm that is lighter weight and with an integral headshell. Also, I think a load of 750-1000 ohms might give it more control...which would benefit the classical listening.
    As to the relative lack of resolution, that is something that I suspect a more 'up to date' motor would deliver...something that I think the Koestu's probably cannot do....IOW, a cartridge like the Lyra's or the new Transfigurations. I would guess that the Blue Lace will only offer you a similar presentation as the Tsugaru...very similar. Would be interesting to see, but here in the US ( due to the importer's crazy pricing) that is a very costly experiment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveyF View Post
    Thanks for the reply. Couple of thoughts here: I suspect that the Tsugaru will actually do a lot better in an arm that is lighter weight and with an integral headshell. Also, I think a load of 750-1000 ohms might give it more control...which would benefit the classical listening.
    As to the relative lack of resolution, that is something that I suspect a more 'up to date' motor would deliver...something that I think the Koestu's probably cannot do....IOW, a cartridge like the Lyra's or the new Transfigurations. I would guess that the Blue Lace will only offer you a similar presentation as the Tsugaru...very similar. Would be interesting to see, but here in the US ( due to the importer's crazy pricing) that is a very costly experiment.
    Hi dave... thank you for your thoughts.
    i will try change positions with it, to see if its actually do "better" on some other arms i've got,
    but i suspect the overall presentation will remain. the IKEDA 407 is a very good and Lively arm! and with the Koetsu head-shell it seams that it fit and working great together.
    maybe the Thales will do it more justice? (i assumed that it will be more polite then with the Ikeda...so i didn't try it yet.)
    regarding the loading, i was connecting it to the current input on my CH P1 phono stage, so... i suspect its in his optimum working condition. i can switch it over to the voltage inputs and try your suggestion, or switch it altogether to my other phono stage in my EAR912 and use the Integral MC step-up to pair with it (also i assumed due to the fact the EAR 912 is a valve based phono stage it will colour it even more!)
    for more up to date presentation and resolution, i have a bunch of others Cart's. so, i'm not so worry about it. like i said, i love the Tsugaru "different" approach, but couldn't help myself thinking about what the Stones Koetsu's will deliver v.s the Urushi... that why i'm contemplating with order one of them too. (i guess the costs are High everywhere in the world if you not buying\living in Japan. so - crazy indeed).
    Speakers:Magico Q3 Preamp:E.A.R 912 Amp:Luxman m900
    Cables:Siltech Double Crown Power:Nordost Odin1,Argento master flow
    Digital: Metronome C8/Aurender N10
    TT1TechDAS AF3/Thales Simplicity II/Ortofon RS212D/DV507MK2
    TT2:Torqueo T34 Exclusive Zebrano/ikeda 407
    Carts': Ortofon Anna,Zyx R1000 airy3,VDH Colibri Stradivarius,EMT XSD15,Murasakino Sumile,Koetsu Tsugaru,Top Wing Suzaku,DS W2
    Phono: CH Precision P1 Racks: Solid Tech Rack of silence reference Power treatmentPs Audio P10

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    Iím blessed myself to have a lightning fast, but naturally warm and musical cart, in the form of Soundsmith Straingauge w bespoke psu.
    So I have some idea of how stellar the Top Wings are.
    While others fantasise over the AS2000, AF1 Premium etc, Iíd sure love to hear the Red or Blue on a Grand Prix Monaco 2.0/Thales Statement/Robert Koda MC1.
    I believe that setup would kick proverbial ass LOL.
    I could also imagine Primary Control Kinea w Field Coil arm, or Torqueo idler w SAEC506 arm, and Ares Cerat phono, plus the Red or Blue, would both be stellar too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by byrdparis View Post
    Hi dave... thank you for your thoughts.
    i will try change positions with it, to see if its actually do "better" on some other arms i've got,
    but i suspect the overall presentation will remain. the IKEDA 407 is a very good and Lively arm! and with the Koetsu head-shell it seams that it fit and working great together.
    maybe the Thales will do it more justice? (i assumed that it will be more polite then with the Ikeda...so i didn't try it yet.)
    regarding the loading, i was connecting it to the current input on my CH P1 phono stage, so... i suspect its in his optimum working condition. i can switch it over to the voltage inputs and try your suggestion, or switch it altogether to my other phono stage in my EAR912 and use the Integral MC step-up to pair with it (also i assumed due to the fact the EAR 912 is a valve based phono stage it will colour it even more!)
    for more up to date presentation and resolution, i have a bunch of others Cart's. so, i'm not so worry about it. like i said, i love the Tsugaru "different" approach, but couldn't help myself thinking about what the Stones Koetsu's will deliver v.s the Urushi... that why i'm contemplating with order one of them too. (i guess the costs are High everywhere in the world if you not buying\living in Japan. so - crazy indeed).
    Good to hear that you are going to experiment. As it was pointed out in another thread, sometimes this can really pay dividends. Since there is no monetary cost to do this, what's to lose? I would be very surprised if one of the alternatives that you posted wouldn't sound better than what you are listening to right now....but that might be wrong. If so, easy to go back to where you started.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveyF View Post
    Good to hear that you are going to experiment. As it was pointed out in another thread, sometimes this can really pay dividends. Since there is no monetary cost to do this, what's to lose? I would be very surprised if one of the alternatives that you posted wouldn't sound better than what you are listening to right now....but that might be wrong. If so, easy to go back to where you started.
    no doubt.
    very true. and i'm trying to experiment everything i can. but always keep enjoying myself and my music time that i cherish most.
    Speakers:Magico Q3 Preamp:E.A.R 912 Amp:Luxman m900
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    Digital: Metronome C8/Aurender N10
    TT1TechDAS AF3/Thales Simplicity II/Ortofon RS212D/DV507MK2
    TT2:Torqueo T34 Exclusive Zebrano/ikeda 407
    Carts': Ortofon Anna,Zyx R1000 airy3,VDH Colibri Stradivarius,EMT XSD15,Murasakino Sumile,Koetsu Tsugaru,Top Wing Suzaku,DS W2
    Phono: CH Precision P1 Racks: Solid Tech Rack of silence reference Power treatmentPs Audio P10

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    Quote Originally Posted by spiritofmusic View Post
    I’m blessed myself to have a lightning fast, but naturally warm and musical cart, in the form of Soundsmith Straingauge w bespoke psu.
    So I have some idea of how stellar the Top Wings are.
    While others fantasise over the AS2000, AF1 Premium etc, I’d sure love to hear the Red or Blue on a Grand Prix Monaco 2.0/Thales Statement/Robert Koda MC1.
    I believe that setup would kick proverbial ass LOL.
    I could also imagine Primary Control Kinea w Field Coil arm, or Torqueo idler w SAEC506 arm, and Ares Cerat phono, plus the Red or Blue, would both be stellar too.
    there so much great (Superb) Combo you can "set up" to get Ultimate analog sound.
    im now in my best era of sound i ever had.
    my AF3 with several arms and a bunch load of cart's in my disposal to get different flavours and tastes. (and the TORQUEO T34 on the way...)

    if you didn't listened to it yet, try to get yourself a session with DS AUDIO sets in a great system. they are probably the best thing money can buy now days (IMHO).
    the W2 model (13K$ us retailĪ) is phenomenal! after i heard it, i sold my DS002 and ordered the W2 instead...it will probably be my GO TO... for classical music on the Thales simplicity II
    Speakers:Magico Q3 Preamp:E.A.R 912 Amp:Luxman m900
    Cables:Siltech Double Crown Power:Nordost Odin1,Argento master flow
    Digital: Metronome C8/Aurender N10
    TT1TechDAS AF3/Thales Simplicity II/Ortofon RS212D/DV507MK2
    TT2:Torqueo T34 Exclusive Zebrano/ikeda 407
    Carts': Ortofon Anna,Zyx R1000 airy3,VDH Colibri Stradivarius,EMT XSD15,Murasakino Sumile,Koetsu Tsugaru,Top Wing Suzaku,DS W2
    Phono: CH Precision P1 Racks: Solid Tech Rack of silence reference Power treatmentPs Audio P10

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    Now itís the Dragon turn.
    This time on its own headshell that top wing deliver, mounted on the Ikeda 407.
    Speakers:Magico Q3 Preamp:E.A.R 912 Amp:Luxman m900
    Cables:Siltech Double Crown Power:Nordost Odin1,Argento master flow
    Digital: Metronome C8/Aurender N10
    TT1TechDAS AF3/Thales Simplicity II/Ortofon RS212D/DV507MK2
    TT2:Torqueo T34 Exclusive Zebrano/ikeda 407
    Carts': Ortofon Anna,Zyx R1000 airy3,VDH Colibri Stradivarius,EMT XSD15,Murasakino Sumile,Koetsu Tsugaru,Top Wing Suzaku,DS W2
    Phono: CH Precision P1 Racks: Solid Tech Rack of silence reference Power treatmentPs Audio P10

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    Hello,
    Do you have collected some impressions in the meantime about the Blue Dragon you like to share?
    I am eager to hear, hence either the Blue Dragon or the Red Sparrow are my next acquisition maybe.
    Thanks in advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr-particle View Post
    Hello,
    Do you have collected some impressions in the meantime about the Blue Dragon you like to share?
    I am eager to hear, hence either the Blue Dragon or the Red Sparrow are my next acquisition maybe.
    Thanks in advance.
    i have actually,
    in a nut shell; the red sparrow is the better one no doubt.
    although the blue is very quiet and smooth like a R2R player especially on its own headshell that TOP WING deliver,
    i think the red sparrow have more finesse to its presentation overall. something about its ability to integrate with more arms keeps it way high above a lot of cart's i have and listened.
    the red sparrow is indeed one of the TOP cart's i heard in my system.
    after that said, i will choose between them carefully on base of your arm of use.

    if you have an "Old school" arm, with a detachable headshell etc, i might consider to save some $$ and get the blue! its a very BIG cart (physically!) and its integration with its own headshell is crucial! and its sound Superb!
    if you have some the more "modern" kind of arms, i will choose the Red Sparrow no doubt. its our there with the best!

    hope it helped a bit,
    see you in Munich?
    Speakers:Magico Q3 Preamp:E.A.R 912 Amp:Luxman m900
    Cables:Siltech Double Crown Power:Nordost Odin1,Argento master flow
    Digital: Metronome C8/Aurender N10
    TT1TechDAS AF3/Thales Simplicity II/Ortofon RS212D/DV507MK2
    TT2:Torqueo T34 Exclusive Zebrano/ikeda 407
    Carts': Ortofon Anna,Zyx R1000 airy3,VDH Colibri Stradivarius,EMT XSD15,Murasakino Sumile,Koetsu Tsugaru,Top Wing Suzaku,DS W2
    Phono: CH Precision P1 Racks: Solid Tech Rack of silence reference Power treatmentPs Audio P10

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