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  1. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Lavigne View Post
    I get that JV has made his bed over time on the raves, and so there is that. but also agree that his reviews do contain lots of great information not otherwise easily attained.

    and I will always appreciate his review in 2000 about the Kharma Exquisite 1C that caused me to step up and buy them sight unseen (i'd never seen any Kharma in the flesh let alone heard the big Exquisites); and it was a great move for me on many levels. so JV get's a lifetime pass from me.
    One of the assets that one must possess in this hobby is the ability to separate the wheat from the chaff.

    There are pearls in what JV says and then there are other comments.

    One must sift through.

    I for one enjoy reading JV's reviews. They written in an entertaining and also informative way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Al M. View Post
    Exactly. When I wrote my review on my current speakers I was not aware of all the problems they have and which I hope to address with the upgrade. If for example I had known the issues with reproduction of orchestra and piano to the fuller extent as I perceive them now, I might have mentioned them (even though of course I always knew that orchestral was lacking compared to the Magico M Project speakers, but not in the detail that I am aware of now -- but that is also a completely different price class).

    We all rave about the newest equipment that we have. Davey is fully enthusiastic about his new Jadis amps, and he should be. However, if he goes for an upgrade in a few years he will be more aware of the limitations, or he will upgrade because of this awareness. This does not mean that he is dishonest in his current enthusiasm.

    If, as I have all the reasons to assume, Davey isn't dishonest in his enthusiasm for his new amps, he also should be more hesitant of accusing JV of dishonesty in his enthusiasm for the next "best toy" in audio.
    Hi Al, valid point. But "sterile" Jon has at least half a dozen other reference speakers in his home, including logans, raidhos, avant gardes, etc. By comparing his magico experience to the experience of other reference speakers, the differences come through.

    Obviously, he likes magico and has it free for life. He didn't even bother going to Heilbronner's house to hear the Wilson wamm, while Heilbruener came to his house to hear the new magnepan. His argument is that m6 speaker is he best "because I imagine it sounding most real in my mind".

    But not everyone has the same taste as him. Just like "sterile" Jon had the fight with "great" Peter Breuninger about the best turntable, him and Peter McGrath should fight it out about whether the m6 is better than the wamm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Odyssey View Post
    One of the assets that one must possess in this hobby is the ability to separate the wheat from the chaff.
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    LMAO. isn't that what a previous "king" of all a'philes had to say before he decided not to grace us with his presence anymore.
    Luckily, your context is different from that "king"....

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveyF View Post
    LMAO. isn't that what a previous "king" of all a'philes had to say before he decided not to grace us with his presence anymore.
    Luckily, your context is different from that "king"....
    Hehe . But I guess that's an inside joke for many who haven't followed the story. Anyway thanks, Davey, for having been so instrumental in removing the "king" from this forum (or rather, causing his 'self-deportation'). Much appreciated from one fellow audiophile to another.

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    why do Magico focused threads always come off the rails? it seems like the posting takes a dark, nasty turn. like the gapers block on the freeway when there is an accident in the far lanes. we want to see if there is any blood.

    time for music. a little Debussy tonight I think....
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    Al, you are very welcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterA View Post
    I see you point. I don't know what to say about the other manufacturers. They choose not to play the game and must build brand awareness in other ways. It must be tough, but it is their choice. TAS serves it's own needs and those of the reviewers. I happen to like JV's writing and some of his reviews have encouraged me to seek out auditions. Perhaps TAS was more reader focused before, I don't know. I would love to see comparative reviews with less hyperbole and marketing speak. Times have changed, and I guess manufacturers have to adapt. Audiophiles have also adapted as traditional dealers shut their doors. Forums play a role as to audio shows and visiting friends' systems.

    These are interesting and difficult times. Demographics are also an issue. Yet, I am thrilled that gear does seem to be improving, especially in the area of speakers.

    The American Sound table, despite its extremely high price, had its entire limited production run sold by word of mouth. Shiit? Audio seems to have arrived from nowhere, same with Kronos and Acoustical Systems. Magico did not exist twelve years ago, nor did Solution or TechDAS. SME barely advertises. Acousticsounds sells Pass Labs. There seem to be many approaches. The TAS rave review and advertising model seems to be only one approach. It must be brutal for upstarts, but the established companies seem to be thriving.
    Also in my view JV is a good writer and I enjoyed reading his stuff many moons ago. However, when I discovered how they operate TAS and how manufacturors are being forced to go along if they want attention in TAS, I lost my faith and canceled my subscription.

    A good writer with ‘bad’ or flawed ethics that dominate his or TAS’ choice of products that are being reviewed and possibly - or should I say: likely? - influence the outcome of the review significantly in my view disqualifies himself as (an independant) reviewer.

    So for me it is not about Magico (loudspeakers) - although this company renders the services that TAS/the mentioned reviewers of TAS require - but the fact that this magazine’s ethical behavior is - to put it mildly - questionable.
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    I find myself agreeing in some ways with most every post in this thread.

    He is clearly a good writer, has a strong capacity to describe sounds, I’d clearly say that he is quite formulaic in his approach in always nominating a best in some form or other to add a bit of flash of excitement plus hyperbole and there is almost always something best ever about most of his reviews eg best at something or other as a specific quality while not overall best. The best he has heard is something he clearly feels adds to reputation and perhaps at some level he has become a bit of an opinion maker.

    The fact that Maggie’s are never far from his rave list is nice but then sometimes there is a bit of inflation and puffery in his attitude which is less attractive than his actual writing skills. In short he is a human being, he is definitely gifted with strengths and weaknesses, he is clearly an audiophile in character (for both good and for bad) and he is probably doing what he does both for love and commercial interest. I’m not sure he is truly any more flawed than many in this business. Whether you choose to read him or not is in some ways made easier because he is reliably predictable so you know what you are buying into when you start to read.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the sound of Tao View Post
    I find myself agreeing in some ways with most every post in this thread.

    He is clearly a good writer, has a strong capacity to describe sounds, Iíd clearly say that he is quite formulaic in his approach in always nominating a best in some form or other to add a bit of flash of excitement plus hyperbole and there is almost always something best ever about most of his reviews eg best at something or other as a specific quality while not overall best. The best he has heard is something he clearly feels adds to reputation and perhaps at some level he has become a bit of an opinion maker.

    The fact that Maggieís are never far from his rave list is nice but then sometimes there is a bit of inflation and puffery in his attitude which is less attractive than his actual writing skills. In short he is a human being, he is definitely gifted with strengths and weaknesses, he is clearly an audiophile in character (for both good and for bad) and he is probably doing what he does both for love and commercial interest. Iím not sure he is truly any more flawed than many in this business. Whether you choose to read him or not is in some ways made easier because he is reliably predictable so you know what you are buying into when you start to read.
    Thank you for this balanced view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the sound of Tao View Post
    I find myself agreeing in some ways with most every post in this thread.

    He is clearly a good writer, has a strong capacity to describe sounds, Iíd clearly say that he is quite formulaic in his approach in always nominating a best in some form or other to add a bit of flash of excitement plus hyperbole and there is almost always something best ever about most of his reviews eg best at something or other as a specific quality while not overall best. The best he has heard is something he clearly feels adds to reputation and perhaps at some level he has become a bit of an opinion maker.

    The fact that Maggieís are never far from his rave list is nice but then sometimes there is a bit of inflation and puffery in his attitude which is less attractive than his actual writing skills. In short he is a human being, he is definitely gifted with strengths and weaknesses, he is clearly an audiophile in character (for both good and for bad) and he is probably doing what he does both for love and commercial interest. Iím not sure he is truly any more flawed than many in this business. Whether you choose to read him or not is in some ways made easier because he is reliably predictable so you know what you are buying into when you start to read.
    +1. A few further thoughts. Many of us have been involved in this hobby a LOOONNNNGGGGG time and we know what the deal is with the magazines these days. JV is an excellent writer, he describes what he is hearing well. Fact is Iíve heard systems with Wilson, YG, Rockport, Magico, Zellaton, and a few others all sound wonderful. I think that is where we are these days. There is no shortage of well made, well thought out designs but not all of them appeal to every one of us let alone the cost of these products.

    Iím eager to hear the M6. Iím not considering buying it but would love to hear how it presents music. If I do, Iíll let everyone know what I think and please do the same if anyone gets the chance to hear it.

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