Testing and embracing Stacore
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Not that I'd defend Sorbothane, but what you wrote is a perfectly general description of the frequency behavior of any material
The differences are where all those characteristic frequencies are located. To add on the complication, this also depends on a range of other factors than the material, like geometry (the shape), if and how it is attached, to what it is attached, is it glued, welded, screwed etc.
But as I was explaining to Marc long time ago and echoing what's David is saying - even if you know those characteristics, they will in general tell you nothing about the sound. Way too little correlation data on: physical property - sonic influence.
Cheers,
Sorbothane.
Experimenting with this stuff is the audio equivalent of rolling around with your first sexual partner and hoping for the best.
Experimenting with this stuff is the audio equivalent of rolling around with your first sexual partner and hoping for the best.
It's not necessary to do anything at all Tang, I can tell in 5 minutes if Herzan is good or bad for AS. I know exactly how things should sound and if anything's off you'll hear it straightaway in the bass. Of course if the system under the influence of a lot of tweaky stuff it needs to be un-tweaked first
!david
Dave, are you going to be frank on this forum, once The Musketeers get their AS’s installed on respective racks? Mike and Christian on variations of Herzan, Ron and Tang on inert stands (Tang with added Stacore tech).
Ie tell us if you feel Mike and Christian are going down the wrong path with active isolation? Or will you maintain a diplomatic low profile even if you feel AS hamstrung by Herzan? It would be fascinating to know what you might contend is wrong with their final sound if they themselves prefer it.
Fascinatingly, the bass is the first thing that is noted by adopters to improve with active isolation (and passive if Peter’s Vibraplane and my Stacore are included here), so for Dave to state Herzan may easily not get the low end right is a minority view.
Ie tell us if you feel Mike and Christian are going down the wrong path with active isolation? Or will you maintain a diplomatic low profile even if you feel AS hamstrung by Herzan? It would be fascinating to know what you might contend is wrong with their final sound if they themselves prefer it.
Fascinatingly, the bass is the first thing that is noted by adopters to improve with active isolation (and passive if Peter’s Vibraplane and my Stacore are included here), so for Dave to state Herzan may easily not get the low end right is a minority view.
He probably heard the EMT 927 and realized what the SX-8000 was lacking so he made the AS
! The controller has nothing to do with anything it's about the motor, for years people have known that much of 927's magic comes from it's amazing motor, no one's been able to replicate and no other turntable ever had anything even close to it. AS was living off the same Micro Seiki motors and as good as they are they're not EMT's, this Papst motor seems to be on the same level and this is something I wanted to do for years but never got around to doing it until recently. It's when I had this motor and heard what it brought to table that I decided to do the single production run, with this motor and some minor design calibrations the new AS has something real sonic advantages to offer over the original, I wouldn't have done it otherwise.Herzan's a lab tool and has nothing to do with high end audio or ultimate anything in this field!
I wonder who said this, so profound!
david
Very well stated, Tang. I pick and choose my particular audiophilia nervosas. I agree with Mike that "everything matters," but I am not in Mike's camp of maximum search for the ultimate in all parameters driving ever closer to perfection.
I aim fairly high and I go primarily by my ears, but I also try to apply some theory, toss in some cost/benefit analysis (but not much, obviously), do what makes sense to me, and then pretty much leave it there.
When have I not been frank
? We might disagree but I just don't see anyone holding back on anything in this group!david
Your curiosity seems to peak late in the night Marc. What are you doing up at this hour ....Woke up to take a pee?
Tang
Well, I just installed YET ANOTHER tweak (extra shielding to interconnects and platinum spades to spkr cbls), had a bit of a listen, and returned to my fave tt thread ahead of going to bed.
Talking about going for a pee, I’m sure that’s what Dave is inspired to do when he keeps reading about tweaks LOL.
Talking about going for a pee, I’m sure that’s what Dave is inspired to do when he keeps reading about tweaks LOL.
I personally believe in taking Mooks to landfill, not blocking the toilet with them. That would be almost as silly as keeping them in your system.
I’m continuing to dig deep into my music with the Stacore platforms, enabling me to make the most of Sablon cable upgrades too.
I fully realise cash could easily be diverted to bigger pricier signature component upgrades. But I also truly believe that eeking our maximum potential in current gear, especially if you love your core sound as I do, is just as valid a direction. So good is my sound with Stacores, and Sablons, in tow, I very rarely daydream of the top of the range gear in my manufacturers of choice anymore.
I fully realise cash could easily be diverted to bigger pricier signature component upgrades. But I also truly believe that eeking our maximum potential in current gear, especially if you love your core sound as I do, is just as valid a direction. So good is my sound with Stacores, and Sablons, in tow, I very rarely daydream of the top of the range gear in my manufacturers of choice anymore.
You sleep at your desk Ked.
I’ll just get a whole day’s enjoyable listening in while you’re doing that.
I’ll just get a whole day’s enjoyable listening in while you’re doing that.
Tang, it’s a VERY good thing I don’t have those Scherzingers in to talk about.
Ked would be in a coma by now.
Ked would be in a coma by now.
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