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    Hello, I don’t know if this is the right thread to post this topic but it does come closest to the description!

    Being a proud owner of the Symphonia horns I realize that in a small(ish) room like mine (22 m²), the amount of acoustic (and hence physical) energy in the room and conveyed through the floor is not benefiting the equipment I have. Equipment which, as some may know, is based on tube technology, in the DAC, the preamp and the power amplifiers.

    When becoming a distributor for Entreq, I quickly started to test the different decoupling feet they have like the ES Pad and the Lynx feet. These are relatively cheap solutions and, as can be suspected, have a beneficial effect on the equipment I put on it. The main benefits of decoupling, when done right, are in my experience a lowering of the noise floor, more natural top end, better resolution in the bass area. The noise floor lowering brings along benefits like more micro-dynamics, better focus, better legibility of the soundstage, i.e. all contributing to a more natural, non-fatiguing listening experience.

    But, alas, one suspects that more is to be gotten from really good isolation. The Entreq products, though very much recommended as lower cost solutions (and I have or had small stillpoints, symposium, aktyna and some others whose name I forgot), were an obvious starting point to look for other types of isolation. So I have been on the lookout in the last twelve months for a solution that would not be too expensive (like +10 k€) and preferably be non-electronic, i.e. passive. The reason for the first criterium is obvious but for the passive criterium, I want to reduce the number of cables, possible break downs, possible audible (transformer) humming, service needs etc. I fell in love with Entreq for its sonic qualities in the first place but the fact that this equipment has no electronic or moving parts inside I find a compelling combination.

    Now, having explained that, you will also know why I did not try all these active platforms that are out there, though reading some of the reviews I was tempted to try them out but didn’t.

    Came Stacore along as a possible solution and with great reviews, also here on WBF. And looking at their prices I didn’t think it was outlandish, taking into account how the isolation principle is implemented, clearly going further than all other passive solutions I came across. They were present in Munich as well and it was ticking the boxes I had for a platform so I had one unit coming my way. It has not left yet, nor will it… except for customer demos or shows.

    I have been describing already what the benefits of decoupling does, well the Stacore Advanced (model I have) does this in such a way that it is as if I had an upgraded preamp or amplifier altogether.
    Till now I tested with the new Aries Cerat Genus integrated amplifier and with the Aries Cerat Incito preamplifier. In both cases, when I take the unit off the Stacore platform, the whole sonic message kind of collapses… a very strange and disturbing experience. And the fun part is that set-up is easy (though requiring two people due to the platform’s weight), intuitive and clutter-free (except for a bicycle pump ).

    Finally, a particular experience with the Incito: originally I had the Incito on the platform but on its original feet which incorporates a rubber ring. I found the soundstage to be projected quite forward and that disturbed me. Lowering the pneumatic pressure, so the platform was hardly above the floor, gave me then best results, but I knew I was kind of cancelling some effects of the platform by doing so. Until Stacore, very helpful by the way (!), told me that a direct hard but even contact between the surface and the platform works best. So, out went the rubber rings and suddenly I had all the upsides without the projecting soundstage issue! Wonderful!
    Aries Cerat, SMT, Entreq , Stacore and Stenheim distributor for Belgium, The Netherlands and Luxembourg - Tenor Audio and 432EVO Audition Center
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    Hi Michel,

    Thank you v much for the kind words! I'm very happy we work up to your expectations,
    esp. in such a wonderful company as Aries Cerat equipment.

    I keep being amazed by how important the equipment - platform interface is....and keep
    prototyping our own hard coupling footers. Will be offering them soon.

    Cheers,
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    Hi Flyer, I'm aiming for a couple more Stacore platforms, for the first time to isolate a tubed component, my NAT Utopia linestage.
    So good to hear that the Stacore effect stretches to amps, and not just source components.
    And satisfying that my experience is being replicated elsewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spiritofmusic View Post
    Hi Flyer, I'm aiming for a couple more Stacore platforms, for the first time to isolate a tubed component, my NAT Utopia linestage.
    So good to hear that the Stacore effect stretches to amps, and not just source components.
    And satisfying that my experience is being replicated elsewhere.
    When I take into account that the Incito preamp only has three smaller tubes, not even triodes (like Genus)... I will be testing the Basic+ platforms for the Concero65 which have a lot bigger tubes making them even more prone to the effects, just like adyc reported from HongKong.

    I would be very suprised if it didn't work with your Utopia.
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    Flyer, this stuff is addictive.
    Best I handle small doses at a time LOL.
    By necessity I have to go cdp and preamp first, early 2018, freeing up current Stacore Adv for my tt.
    Monos later in the year, and then possibility of pre psu and my tt motor and Straingauge psus sometime 2019.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flyer View Post
    When I take into account that the Incito preamp only has three smaller tubes, not even triodes (like Genus)... I will be testing the Basic+ platforms for the Concero65 which have a lot bigger tubes making them even more prone to the effects, just like adyc reported from HongKong.

    I would be very suprised if it didn't work with your Utopia.
    The biggest shock so far was that our platforms worked under a SS monoblocks!
    The effect was there and not barely noticeable.

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    Jarek Korbicz
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    Well Jarek, that suggests Stacore under my preamp psu will also benefit. Hmm, one for addressing last I think, after tubed monos sorted.

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    May very much be the case, Marc. If it worked under the power transformer (my second biggest shock re vibration sensitivity of the audio chain),
    pre PSU is much closer to the signal.

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    Jarek, I'm afraid I'm having to make least worst choices here.
    I need pre and cdp isolated next (to release a Stacore for tt duties), alongside the one already under bpt.
    Once tt, bpt, cdp and pre are covered, then monos, then potentially psus. I will have freed up my Symposium rack by this stage, so psus for tt motor and Straingauge, streamer and dac will a/b on Stacore v the rack at that point.

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    MY biggest "problem" with Stacore platform is their actual weight.
    i cant put anything on the floor and i wanted to buy some for my sources first, but had to get them on my rack (Solid tech), that will not handle the weight of the Stacore plat' + my TT or others..

    Thanks for the good review flyer, great system.
    Speakers:Magico S3MK2
    Preamp: E.A.R 912
    Amp:Luxman m900
    Cables:Siltech Double Crown - XLR & RCA
    Power:Furutech,Nordost Odin1,Argento master flow
    Digital: Metronome C8/Aurender N10
    2nd-TT:Clearaudio Master Innovation with TT2
    1ST-TTTechDAS AF3/Thales Simplicty II/Ortofon DS212D (on order)
    Carts':Zyx r1000 airy3 sb, Ortofon Anna, DS audio 002, Orotofon Synergy (on order)
    Phono: CH Precision - P1
    Racks: Solid Tech Rack of silence reference
    Power treatmentPs Audio P10

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