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    Quote Originally Posted by rockitman View Post
    Gradual improvement isn't akin to getting used to the new sound is it ?
    In most cases yes, however in this case Christian it's pretty simple by doing the A-B-A test. Once they come out you will know


    Francisco seems resistant to taking them out
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Williams View Post
    (...) Francisco seems resistant to taking them out
    I am now in the burn-in phase of the second set, this time under the DCS Vivaldi - I do not want to do anything that could compromise my evaluation of this set.

    When I get more I will play more freely with them - until now I could only find positive aspects, I must look also for the negative ones!
    Under construction around the DCS Vivaldi 2.0 stack and a pair of Wilson XLF's : Forsell Air Force One, ARC Phono 2SE, cj GAT + Lamm M1.2 ref, TA OPUS MM2 +TA XL digital, TA XL gen V power cables and CenterStage footers ...

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    As I have written the second set of Center Stage feet was put at service last weekend under the Vivaldi DAC. Last Monday I listened a to a few recordings and it seemed to me the system had a nice improvement - more space around performers and more energy and presence. However, I was busy and I postponed writing about it to next day. However, the next two days the evolution was really negative - it become harsh, violent sound, really tiring. Peter Schreier was shouting not singing. Detail and bass was too etched, I decided to postpone writing about again...

    However today the system is brilliant - decays are superb, voices are present but well articulated and full bodied, percussion is fabulous, sometimes clearly remembering me the ultra fine very fast transient performance of the Soundlab's, and yes, plenty of what people have described as center stage - the performers invade my room.

    I was listening to Reference Recordings Stravinsky "Ebony Concerto" and other nice pieces for clarinet - the instrument was simply fabulous, more natural than ever. My only concern is very deep bass and stage depth - but I am not sure if it is related to the recent short stay of the Constellation Centaur II + Virgo III or to the Center Stage feet still burning-in ...
    Under construction around the DCS Vivaldi 2.0 stack and a pair of Wilson XLF's : Forsell Air Force One, ARC Phono 2SE, cj GAT + Lamm M1.2 ref, TA OPUS MM2 +TA XL digital, TA XL gen V power cables and CenterStage footers ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by microstrip View Post
    As I have written the second set of Center Stage feet was put at service last weekend under the Vivaldi DAC. Last Monday I listened a to a few recordings and it seemed to me the system had a nice improvement - more space around performers and more energy and presence. However, I was busy and I postponed writing about it to next day. However, the next two days the evolution was really negative - it become harsh, violent sound, really tiring. Peter Schreier was shouting not singing. Detail and bass was too etched, I decided to postpone writing about again...

    However today the system is brilliant - decays are superb, voices are present but well articulated and full bodied, percussion is fabulous, sometimes clearly remembering me the ultra fine very fast transient performance of the Soundlab's, and yes, plenty of what people have described as center stage - the performers invade my room.

    I was listening to Reference Recordings Stravinsky "Ebony Concerto" and other nice pieces for clarinet - the instrument was simply fabulous, more natural than ever. My only concern is very deep bass and stage depth - but I am not sure if it is related to the recent short stay of the Constellation Centaur II + Virgo III or to the Center Stage feet still burning-in ...
    Hi Microstrip

    I've heard the very same sound stage depth and deep bass issues you are hearing now. Please be patient. This will come. Promise.

    All the Best,

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    Quote Originally Posted by microstrip View Post
    As I have written the second set of Center Stage feet was put at service last weekend under the Vivaldi DAC. Last Monday I listened a to a few recordings and it seemed to me the system had a nice improvement - more space around performers and more energy and presence. However, I was busy and I postponed writing about it to next day. However, the next two days the evolution was really negative - it become harsh, violent sound, really tiring. Peter Schreier was shouting not singing. Detail and bass was too etched, I decided to postpone writing about again...

    However today the system is brilliant - decays are superb, voices are present but well articulated and full bodied, percussion is fabulous, sometimes clearly remembering me the ultra fine very fast transient performance of the Soundlab's, and yes, plenty of what people have described as center stage - the performers invade my room.

    I was listening to Reference Recordings Stravinsky "Ebony Concerto" and other nice pieces for clarinet - the instrument was simply fabulous, more natural than ever. My only concern is very deep bass and stage depth - but I am not sure if it is related to the recent short stay of the Constellation Centaur II + Virgo III or to the Center Stage feet still burning-in ...
    And, thank you very much for hanging in there with CS......
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    Just a brief update for all who have been patiently awaiting delivery of their CS feet and tall those who expressed interest in demoing a set of these in their system I will have adequate supply in the next few days and I would just ask that you contact me by PM or email.

    This supply of CS feet should catch us up on all the backorders as well as having sufficient product to send out demos.So to all those interested, this is a good time to contact me and to those who have waited patiently I want to thank you for that. I am hoping you will find the wait well worth it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Williams View Post
    Just a brief update for all who have been patiently awaiting delivery of their CS feet and tall those who expressed interest in demoing a set of these in their system I will have adequate supply in the next few days and I would just ask that you contact me by PM or email.

    This supply of CS feet should catch us up on all the backorders as well as having sufficient product to send out demos.So to all those interested, this is a good time to contact me and to those who have waited patiently I want to thank you for that. I am hoping you will find the wait well worth it
    The initial delay in Center Stage availability was due to time-sensitive OEM demand bumping up against retail production. Critical Mass Systems apologizes for this. We’ve added CNC capacity so that OEM and retail availability will not be an issue going forward. Sorry again, for the initial delay.

    For those who might be interested, the link below speaks to the core principle of all CMS products, that being to faithfully communicate the engineering of the components that rest upon our support systems. The link is not an endorsement of any product or Brand, rather, it lays the groundwork for an important truth about Center Stage. Whereas OLYMPUS represents an evolutionary advancement of the engineering approach we employ in our support systems including MAXXUM, Center Stage is a breakthrough product that represents (what I consider to be) the most important advancement in thermodynamics we’ve developed in 17 years. The coverage of the Potomac room beginning at the bottom of the page is explanatory of CMS’s core principle. Additional coverage of the room is available on the web.

    http://www.enjoythemusic.com/Capital...aver/page3.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by microstrip View Post
    As I have written the second set of Center Stage feet was put at service last weekend under the Vivaldi DAC. Last Monday I listened a to a few recordings and it seemed to me the system had a nice improvement - more space around performers and more energy and presence. However, I was busy and I postponed writing about it to next day. However, the next two days the evolution was really negative - it become harsh, violent sound, really tiring. Peter Schreier was shouting not singing. Detail and bass was too etched, I decided to postpone writing about again...

    However today the system is brilliant - decays are superb, voices are present but well articulated and full bodied, percussion is fabulous, sometimes clearly remembering me the ultra fine very fast transient performance of the Soundlab's, and yes, plenty of what people have described as center stage - the performers invade my room.

    I was listening to Reference Recordings Stravinsky "Ebony Concerto" and other nice pieces for clarinet - the instrument was simply fabulous, more natural than ever. My only concern is very deep bass and stage depth - but I am not sure if it is related to the recent short stay of the Constellation Centaur II + Virgo III or to the Center Stage feet still burning-in ...
    Any further update on the set under your DAC?

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    IME (and I have them back in my system and breaking in now for the 4th time) it seems that there is some initial improvement on day one but this is short and fleeting. What I have been hearing is the same as microstrip. What I find interesting is that this final production version is far more linear than previous versions and by day 3 in my system there was huge improvement in the midrange. Today is day 8 for me and my deep bass started evolving yesterday. My anticipation is that burn in will be complete in the next day or two at which time I will begin to burn in the analog section of my system. I am also finding that the mere weight of the overlying component on the CS foot serves to facilitate the break in but for reasons that we are not sure playing music seems to be essential.

    The other caveat that in my system that I am now convinced is that having the feet on CMS racks tends to shorten the break in process by at least 3-4 days. Yesterday was the first day I began to experience the full immersive effect on some songs

    What I have been doing and suggesting to new users is to play a CD on auto replay for 8 hours a day and only listen to that CD for the last 30 minutes of each 8 hour session to learn how the sound develops. Short of that listening for the first few days is painful to say the least as one wonders what is broken in their system but by day 3 when the midrange begins to show up the evolution fun begins. I tell everyone to be patient and what they hear is very normal and under no circumstances should they remove the feet as they start all over again
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Williams View Post
    IME (and I have them back in my system and breaking in now for the 4th time) it seems that there is some initial improvement on day one but this is short and fleeting. What I have been hearing is the same as microstrip. What I find interesting is that this final production version is far more linear than previous versions and by day 3 in my system there was huge improvement in the midrange. Today is day 8 for me and my deep bass started evolving yesterday. My anticipation is that burn in will be complete in the next day or two at which time I will begin to burn in the analog section of my system. I am also finding that the mere weight of the overlying component on the CS foot serves to facilitate the break in but for reasons that we are not sure playing music seems to be essential.

    The other caveat that in my system that I am now convinced is that having the feet on CMS racks tends to shorten the break in process by at least 3-4 days. Yesterday was the first day I began to experience the full immersive effect on some songs

    What I have been doing and suggesting to new users is to play a CD on auto replay for 8 hours a day and only listen to that CD for the last 30 minutes of each 8 hour session to learn how the sound develops. Short of that listening for the first few days is painful to say the least as one wonders what is broken in their system but by day 3 when the midrange begins to show up the evolution fun begins. I tell everyone to be patient and what they hear is very normal and under no circumstances should they remove the feet as they start all over again
    This break in is a curious thing. How are they able to get them to sound good at shows if they only have a couple of days to allow them to break in? I had thought I read up thread that once a set is broken in, if it is moved to another component, then the break in is not the full 8 or so days but substantially shorter. Is this true? I wonder what playing music has to do with it. The component's weight and transformers being on I would think would do the trick. I assumed the footers are "settling" or compressing during this break in period. Perhaps something more radical is happening and heat from the component is important to the process.
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