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    Shakti's System: Micro Seiki 8000, Koetsu, VDH, Airtight, Zingali, YG Anat,

    http://zero-distortion.org/micro_sei...ress_airtight/

    This will highlight the first exposure to Micro Seiki 8000 mkII with

    1. Ikeda 407 (with VTA lifter) with VDH Stradivarius and FR 64s with the Koetsus. The VDH has a body with Hawaiian Koa Wood and an old Stradivari type of lacquer
    2. The above compared on Zingalis with Airtight ATM 211 monos and Airtight ATE 2001 pre, and the YG Anat II reference professional with yes, 1000 Euro Hypex Ncore 400 monos and the Plinius M16 pre
    3. Koetsu Black Gold Line, Urushi Sky Blue, and the Onyx Platinum with Rosewood headshell and titanium headshell compared on the FR 64s
    4. Also the Micro Seiki direct drive DQX 1000 with the standard MA500 arm and an Ortofon 2M Bronze cart
    5. Thoress phono vs the built in phono in the Airtight pre
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    Quote Originally Posted by bonzo75 View Post
    http://zero-distortion.org/micro_sei...ress_airtight/

    This will highlight the first exposure to Micro Seiki 8000 mkII with

    1. Ikeda 407 (with VTA lifter) with VDH Stradivarius and FR 64s with the Koetsus. The VDH has a body with Hawaiian Koa Wood and an old Stradivari type of lacquer
    2. The above compared on Zingalis with Airtight ATM 211 monos and Airtight ATE 2001 pre, and the YG Anat II reference professional with yes, 1000 Euro Hypex Ncore 400 monos and the Plinius M16 pre
    3. Koetsu Black Gold Line, Urushi Sky Blue, and the Onyx Platinum with Rosewood headshell and titanium headshell compared on the FR 64s
    4. Also the Micro Seiki direct drive DQX 1000 with the standard MA500 arm and an Ortofon 2M Bronze cart
    5. Thoress phono vs the built in phono in the Airtight pre
    From a Koetsu skeptic to a Koetsu convert...! It's happened to many of us, Bonzo.

    As you and I have discussed previously, most people haven't really heard a Koetsu 'til they've heard it on a heavy (gimballed) arm, and it's hard to imagine a better arm to get the most out of one than the FR 64s.

    For me, the thing I love about Koetsu's is that the detail and energy is evenly distributed within the note - between its initial transient, its body and decay. It's easy to overlook that aspect of its reproduction, especially in light of carts that emphasize the transient, making Koetsu's sound less detailed overall, when in fact, it's simply that (too) many carts simply shift the majority of the detail and energy to the leading edge, masking (and emasculating) the rest of the note. When the detail is "integrated into the whole" as you write, it can initially seem like a step back, with the usual accompaniment of cliches like Koetsu's are "rolled off" and "soft". I was of that opinion myself. It wasn't until I experienced them strapped to heavy arms and idlers that I finally understood what cohesion meant, and embarrassingly, rendered all my tizzy carts in stark relief. They were trying way too hard to be impressive.

    Welcome to the other side.

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    Hi yes, you did come to mind when I liked that koetsu.

    I still think in a detailed system like the YG was, it will show some less relevant details, but I still preferred it in the YG due to the cohesion and the wholeness.

    Possibly the zyx could do the best of both. Analog is tough, it is so much more set up dependent.

    Interestingly it was not the midrange or vocals I chose it for

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    Kedar,
    thank you for your great words in describing our full day experience. It was a pleasure and a great fun to listen to such a good chosen selection of music with a similar minded soul in judging on system performance. I love this kind of joined learning, as it gives you a better understanding of the music and the gear combined.

    ...and know I try to understand the sonic differences of the 5000 and 8000 :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by bonzo75 View Post
    Hi yes, you did come to mind when I liked that koetsu.

    I still think in a detailed system like the YG was, it will show some less relevant details, but I still preferred it in the YG due to the cohesion and the wholeness.

    Possibly the zyx could do the best of both. Analog is tough, it is so much more set up dependent.

    Interestingly it was not the midrange or vocals I chose it for
    Yep, there’s a lot more to a Koetsu than just midrange and Diana Krall and Holly Cole. Of course, as you go up the range more relevant details emerge (not to mention energy propagation and rhythmic dextrousness), but almost never at the expense of the whole.

    And though a Koetsu will never be all things to all men, and they, like every other cart needs to be considered interdependently apropos the arm/table/phono, it always pains me when I see a cart written off without a lot of blood, sweat and headshell swapping having been performed in due diligence. Like you suggest, set up isn’t sexy, but it’s extremely underrated.

    Like many of us I suspect, there are carts galore I could probably live with that would make me happy (still keen to hear the Palladium/Aiwon at some stage). But I think for me the truth is that I’m more interested in straight A purchases that allow me to sleep at night, rather than the insomnia generated by components that tout their A+ credential at the expense of a whole lot of B minuses.

    Be well, Bonzo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 853guy View Post
    Yep, there’s a lot more to a Koetsu than just midrange and Diana Krall and Holly Cole. Of course, as you go up the range more relevant details emerge (not to mention energy propagation and rhythmic dextrousness), but almost never at the expense of the whole.

    And though a Koetsu will never be all things to all men, and they, like every other cart needs to be considered interdependently apropos the arm/table/phono, it always pains me when I see a cart written off without a lot of blood, sweat and headshell swapping having been performed in due diligence. Like you suggest, set up isn’t sexy, but it’s extremely underrated.

    Like many of us I suspect, there are carts galore I could probably live with that would make me happy (still keen to hear the Palladium/Aiwon at some stage). But I think for me the truth is that I’m more interested in straight A purchases that allow me to sleep at night, rather than the insomnia generated by components that tout their A+ credential at the expense of a whole lot of B minuses.

    Be well, Bonzo.

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    I heard Palladian twice, one in direct compare to Soundsmit Poua. Palladian was better, but it wasn't that I was bowled over, but hey, with carts, you can never tell in another set up it might work.

    There are no straight As, or there are many straight As, and many are overpriced. If this was free, I would agree with you and just buy many As, as some people here do who can afford to. This is a hobby, an expensive one. And part of the fun is knowing the A, B, C and Ds, and their price/value equation, though with Analog it becomes very tough. That's why you see so many people with multiple TTs, carts, arms, and only one digital, maybe one or two amps. The multiple analog component syndrome happens at various pricepoints, at the expensive end as well as the lower priced end.

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    Nice write up Kedar, thanks, and I am happy your opinion of Koetsu has progressed.. many systems these days miss what Koetsu is about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bonzo75 View Post
    I heard Palladian twice, one in direct compare to Soundsmit Poua. Palladian was better, but it wasn't that I was bowled over, but hey, with carts, you can never tell in another set up it might work.

    There are no straight As, or there are many straight As, and many are overpriced. If this was free, I would agree with you and just buy many As, as some people here do who can afford to. This is a hobby, an expensive one. And part of the fun is knowing the A, B, C and Ds, and their price/value equation, though with Analog it becomes very tough. That's why you see so many people with multiple TTs, carts, arms, and only one digital, maybe one or two amps. The multiple analog component syndrome happens at various pricepoints, at the expensive end as well as the lower priced end.
    Sorry, I meant that I'm personally less enamoured by components that do one thing amazingly, yet fail to achieve the same level of musicality/insight in other areas. I love horns, but the Symphonia is the only one I've heard that achieves true horn dynamics throughout the frequency spectrum without compromising tone and phase coherence.

    Though I totally get others will feel differently.

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    Very interesting, Kedar! Thank you for this report.

    I am glad you now hear why a Koetsu is one of my two final contenders.

    What did this comparison session tell you about our conversation the other night regarding whether a cartridge can warm up with decay and resonance and richness an analytical turntable, and whether a neutral, detailed and cool-sounding cartridge can liven up a lethargic, warm-sounding turntable?
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    Every time I try a new cart, it is not long till I yearn for my Coralstone and Tiger Eye again. My treat to myself is having my second Coralstone rebuilt with the diamond cantilever. This will bring even greater performance...hopefully. I should have it back from Japan just before the AS2000 arrives in dec or there about.
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