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    Zero Distortion: PTP Lenco and Nottingham Dais, Zyx 4D, SPU a95

    Why did people trade down from the TW Acustic Raven and Verdier to the PTP Lenco? Why did Salvatore use the Nantais Lenco as a reference for years? Why is PTP Art Dudley's favorite TT?

    My first trip started with a visit to Geneva, where I heard the Nantais Lenco Mk2.

    This was followed by

    1. Nottingham Dais SME 3012 R with Ortofon SPU anniversary 95 and Graham Phantom with Hana SL
    2. PTP Lenco with Moerch DP8, one wand having the Zyx 4D and the other with Benz LPS
    3. PTP tweaks
    4. Stein Carbon Signature mat which I bought after an AB at Munich
    5. Will follow up with notes of Ortofon SPU a95 vs a85 in another system
    6. Will follow up with SPU a95 compared on FR 64 and EAT tonearm (replica of Ortofon 309) in a third system
    7. Will follow up with compare of PTP vs Schopper Thorens 124, in at least one other system

    To sum up, I have begun ordering the PTP 12.

    Details here http://zero-distortion.org/ptp-lenco...ttingham-dais/
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    Ked, I'm glad you've got a better perspective on the Zus (Druids in his case)
    As you know, I've been the first to admit that the performance delta from my London apartment to my new dedicated loft space has been startling
    The elimination of all that glass and concrete, full install of acoustically treated structure, carpet, and also v critically, fully symmetrical placement of spkrs and a ton of space behind them, has revealed hitherto unknown amounts of soundstaging, imaging and transparency, while maintaining everything I love about them re tone density and flow
    Anyhow, onto the PTP
    Did you feel when it was fully on song it lost anything to good belt drives on transparency, air and high end detail?
    I ask because idlers and rim drives like my Salvation are great at bass slam, PRaT and involvement, but due to idler noise/rumble, can be less impressive on microdynamics and low level detail that makes the sound more earthbound than the best belt drives
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    Hey Ked, too bad about the lack of interest in this thread other than from me and you
    I can only conclude that people want to spend enormous amounts of cash on their tts
    To be told there is an uber performer 5-10x less expensive just doesn't fire them up
    It should
    Justin's Interstella Duettas at 15k is a serious giant slayer
    And I believe this PTP is too

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    http://www.lencoheaven.net/forum/index.php?topic=7776.0
    Along the thread the owner compare the lenco with his goldmund reference
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    Quote Originally Posted by spiritofmusic View Post
    Hey Ked, too bad about the lack of interest in this thread other than from me and you
    I can only conclude that people want to spend enormous amounts of cash on their tts
    To be told there is an uber performer 5-10x less expensive just doesn't fire them up
    (...)
    No, DIY and debating DIY is not currently my main interest. I considered the Garrard 401 route a few months ago - even bought one in excellent condition, the easy part - and decided not to go that way.

    But I will enjoy reading your posts on the subject.
    At last settled around the DCS Vivaldi 2.0 stack and a pair of Wilson XLF's : Forsell Air Force One, ARC Phono 2SE, cj GAT 2, cj ART monoblocks , TA OPUS MM2 IC's and sp, TA XL digital, TA XL gen V power cables, CenterStage footers and Nordost Qkore8's!

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    Quote Originally Posted by spiritofmusic View Post
    Hey Ked, too bad about the lack of interest in this thread other than from me and you
    I can only conclude that people want to spend enormous amounts of cash on their tts
    To be told there is an uber performer 5-10x less expensive just doesn't fire them up
    It should
    Justin's Interstella Duettas at 15k is a serious giant slayer
    And I believe this PTP is too
    Hello gents,

    No, I think it’s more that as Gilles alludes to the PTP has been covered extensively on Lenco Heaven and the number of ways to plinth a L75 are as numerous as the opinions generated there. If you trawl through the threads on LH and other forums, there’s just as many who prefer hardwood, slate or various composite plinths to the PTP’s corian one, though the consensus is definitely the PTP5 and bearing upgrade are no-brainers if considering a DIY 75.

    For me, the issue is having heard many home-grown and commercially-available idlers whether long term I wouldn’t in fact be happier with a modified 301, or perhaps Schick’s still-in-development 14. The 301 is hard to shake - y’know, maybe at the end of they I’m just a 301 kinda guy - and Joe Roberts and I had a long and involved conversation of why despite many idler alternatives the 301 continues to occupy a space in both of our psyche’s. Having said that, I liked what I heard from the Silbatone room this year in Munich. And despite the fact Schick’s Commonwealth turntable was perhaps the least expensive thing there in real terms relative to its downstream components, it certainly didn’t embarrass itself, and having chatted with Schick I can’t rule out the possibility his forthcoming 14 could be a real contender, given it can accommodate 9” through 12” arms (unlike the PTP), the motor itself is the first of its type to be used for audio purposes being a modern brushless DC high-torque type, the idler and bearing are Schick’s own design, and the plinth is made from a “high density polymer” - i.e. essentially a ground-up new turntable based on prior art.

    But then, I look at the work of Christopher Thornton or that of Chris Harban and do little longing sighs whenever I see a 301 mounted in their plinths. Jeff Day’s tweaked out Classic Turntable Company 301 with Artisan Fidelity plinth, Schick arm and headshell, and brass platter gives me goosebumps, based solely on the photos, as shallow an observation as that might be. Oh yeah, and then there’s the Saskia which despite never having heard it, I have placed at the top of a short-list of one.

    Yes, a Schopper Thorens 124 will cost more than PTP, as will most 301/401 restores in a custom plinth, but the fact that the L75, 124, Commonwealth and 301 (et al) live on as idler options for the contemporary music lover is surely only a good thing. Choices, choices, choices.

    Be well,

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    What is interesting with the thread I posted is the owner of the lenco preferred his lenco more than his goldmund reference. He was a big friend of the designer M Bernard, and he listens classical or jazz. Since that he developed a few prototype, then a belt drive of 400 lb that he sell.
    http://www.firstvoice-audio.com/

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    Hi 853, I loved the Schick commonwealth this year, and I have heard his Schick chick 14 3 years ago though it was a less developed version than what he had one display this year. It costs 15k EUR.

    I loved the Schopper, not so the Audiograil Garrard. I have also heard the Artisan Fidelity Garrard, a top spec, with Ikeda 407 and Koetsu Coralstone, through an Ongaku phono, though not compared with anything except the Burmester digital.

    I must say I am a Schopper 124 and PTP Lenco fan (the Nantais Lenco did not do anything for me). As with Apogee, DIY restores differ based on who does them.

    The PTP had by far the highest bass, dynamics, drive, and immersive soundstage. Once I get it, I will compare it side by side against Schopper (which is next to the Audiograil Garrard), and a Kuzma XL4. I will get to listen to another PTP next to Schopper, Lorricraft, and SP10 mk2, though in a much smaller system. And yet another Schopper, SME 30/12, and Audiograil compare is on the cards later in the year. And once Gian gets his arm for his Schopper, next to the Bergmann.

    All that said, the cost and resale of the PTP makes it a no-brainer for me till the final TT is found (which in my case might be the Schopper if it’s better). For someone with much more money, the PTP will make a great second table.
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    To Kedar
    You said you ordered a speed controller for the PTP, where do you find it? Thanks

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