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Thread: Does everything in Munich sound like Magico/ Spectral? Anything tonally rich or not European taste?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadFloyd View Post
    Valin loves AR. I can't say whether Valin has any ulterior motives but my impressions of CAT align with his. That is not to say it's not great stuff - I own and love my CAT JL7s and have yet to hear a better amp in my system, but it is a little dark sounding to my ears (as opposed to open and airy).
    Ian, I am not quite sure what you mean. When I recently heard your system again, I found your CAT JL7 amps (and the CAT preamp) very open and airy sounding, and not dark at all; sound overall was fantastic. The CAT phono stage did sound dark and closed-in, and perhaps Davey has a point -- something may not be quite right with it. It's out of character with the rest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by microstrip View Post
    Wilson Audio - an unique way in large orchestral music. Humanization of the realistic of the microdetail of human voice, making it more lifelike. Music that needs great soundstage depth layering - such as chamber music. A permanent waltz, as a good friend says. Shows the inside of classic music. Perfect for night-club atmospheric recordings or opera.

    Magico - great playing live amplified music, that has different dynamics than acoustical music. The speaker to listen to Pat Metheny "One Quiet Night". Loves the type of music usually played in stadiums and similar places, that can sound great but I do not listen in my system. Welcomes rock guitars and drums. People who play instruments seem to like them. Analog freaks seem to love them as they are great listening tools for turntable tweaking.

    Sonus Faber - sopranos and strings, surely. Loves AliaVox recordings. Forget and listen. The Aida was in different league of the brand (here represented by the Homage models) , perhaps halfway between the Wilson's and the Magico's, having an almost "electrostatic" balance, but excellent dynamics.


    Disclaimer - short and incomplete opinions extremely influenced by the speakers/systems I have owned, my preferences and my friends systems. In my country these brands are all distributed by the same company, I often listen to them in the same large room.
    Dear micro strip,

    I owned speakers from all these companies (Q3, Alexia, Sasha, Sophia 3, Guarnieri Memento etc.).

    You summed it all up very very very accurately. Bravo.

    Having totally different approaches to music reproduction, I love both Wilson and Magico speakers.

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    It may be true for the Q series. But all Q series speakers sound very different to the current S series or M3.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BruceD View Post
    Sir, i have NOT disclosed which of the three I favour with slight disdain--so your observation is purely your opinion--and it could be wrong

    Never judge a book /etc/etc

    I do agree Peter A's System is an absolute pristine example of dedication to the craft--Kudo's to him!

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    I have never been to the Munich show, so who knows whether all those systems, including my Magico system, sound alike? But, I tend to doubt it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by caesar View Post
    The impression one gets from reading show reports from Munich is that the show appeals to guys who find realism in the fast, lean, clean sound symbolized by Magico/ Spectral combination and championed by reviewers like "Sterile" Jon Valin and "Worthless to the Audio Fan" Robert Harley.

    If one makes a trip to Munich, can one find tonally rich gear, full-bodied (not syrupy or fat!) sound with big bass wallop as well, or is the European market only interested in that more lean sound?
    See my show report from last year at Positive Feedback...it is not all the lean and fast way!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bonzo75 View Post
    Sorry, just trying to clarify what Davey and Ian are discussing here. Valin says CAT is a bit darker, hard hitting, good and linear in bass, VAC more neutral, AR more airy, in the last part that Ian posted, he says CAT beautiful sounding but not real. Is this a fair summary of what Valin is saying? And Ian, what do you think of those attributes, and which valves does Valin prefer - AR?
    Basically...funny enough though CAT has never sounded dark in any system i have heard it in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by morricab View Post
    See my show report from last year at Positive Feedback...it is not all the lean and fast way!
    Things should be tonally rich, but if the sound is not 'fast' it's no good. 'Fast' should not be a pejorative in the high end -- it's a requirement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Al M. View Post
    Things should be tonally rich, but if the sound is not 'fast' it's no good. 'Fast' should not be a pejorative in the high end -- it's a requirement.
    When I hear of people saying "fast" in audio, they are often describing a sound that truncates instrument decay. Like an 80s electronic snare drum sound.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Al M. View Post
    Things should be tonally rich, but if the sound is not 'fast' it's no good. 'Fast' should not be a pejorative in the high end -- it's a requirement.
    The horns Brad mentions in his article, especially tune audio Anima and universum are faster than cones. Cones are slooow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by morricab View Post
    When I hear of people saying "fast" in audio, they are often describing a sound that truncates instrument decay. Like an 80s electronic snare drum sound.
    not always.

    the big thing for me is how an amplifier scales. speed is the ability of an amplifier to have that 'jump' factor no matter the degree of SPL change (even at .5 or 1 watt) or degree of impact and maintain tonal integrity and transparency as the scale and dynamics change.....and.....as you suggest that 'fast' amplifier needs to be able to do the sustain of notes properly. it's a balancing act.

    of course, it's an amplifier-speaker combination we are really talking about.
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