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    Post Believe High Fidelity brings 4 new Analog lines to the USA!

    Hello WBF members,


    Rather than post on separate threads for each line or the specific products I will have on hand I feel it will be much easier for me to manage this single thread as it all relates to Analog anyway. Here are the newest lines available to you in North America...


    Etsuro Urushi Japan


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    The product line consists of two models currently with a third on the way:

    The Bordeaux - 8,000 USD
    The Cobalt Blue - 4500 USD

    Specifications are identical save for the body of the Cobalt Blue is made from Super Duralumin vs the Bordeaux is a Sapphire plate.

    - Moving Coil
    - 15-50,000HZ
    - .25mV/1khz output
    - <.5db/1khz output balance
    - 33db/1khz Channel separation
    - 2gr tracking weight
    - 80 M microline diamond Stylus shape
    - Sapphire pipe cantilever
    - 2.5mm Sapphire plate for the base (Super Duralumin for the Cobalt)
    - Super Duralumin cartridge housing (A7505)
    - Urushi housing
    - 9gr weight (8.1gr for the Cobalt)

    All hand made in-house.

    **My thoughts - I would say over 80% of the high end clientele I have worked with use Lyra Atlas or Lyra Etna cartridges. Given the lack of inventory and long lead times I wanted to find a similar alternative to present and I believe I have found that. The Bordeaux will be reviewed by the AVShowrooms in the coming months so keep on the lookout for that review. The Cobalt Blue will debut at LSAF in Dallas with a JWM Karan turntable and will be used in a number of systems local to Austin so I can give a more accurate representation of its performance.


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    Torqueo Audio Turntables


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    The most apparent thing you will notice is the handcrafted design of the table. The Teflon bearing is able to safely withstand the weight of their flywheels including copper matte "CU2900" throughout has weight of about 6 kg, and clamp 450g. (Both are included on our demo model)

    Their laboratory stress-test turntable has been tested for daily for three years on their Teflon bearing design. After 3 years it measured a 2 tenths of a millimeter consumption. Taking into account for this effect of durability, their bearings are superior with the proper height setting. This ensures a long life. We are not able to accurately assess the duration of life based on these results, but we are certain that it will provide many years with daily use and no negative impact on the sound until your grandkids destroy it

    All of their efforts were focused in solving the problem of wow and flutter. They have improved the engines with quality
    bearings, with the most tuner motors with capacitor precise value. They carry with very heavy mechanical components and use all the measurements to improve the movement All this does not eliminate 100% the wow and flutter, but it is so low that it is not audible.

    There fine speed adjustment that can be carried out in a very simple way, only in "B12gh exclusive" is less simple, but
    with the instructions anyone is able to do it.

    To enjoy high quality reproduction of "DRIVE IDLER" you can not use electronic equipment system to control speed. The philosophy of "IDLER DRIVE" is simplicity, no remote control no lights for special effects, but only strength and reliability.

    The portfolio has a number models with aesthetic design as the core driver for which table would be the one you want.

    Ardesia 8500 USD
    Marsala 8500 USD
    Olive 8000 USD
    B12 GH 9500 USD
    Zebrano (c) 9500 USD
    Noce (c) 8500

    Pilastro - 2500 USD
    Clamp - 350 USD

    (c) designation allows for outboard Tonearm base Pliastro to be used with a compact version of the table

    **My thoughts - As a big fan of Garrard Idler turntables there are many options to own restored ones on the used market with upgraded designs and beautiful Plinths. However at their cost and the fact they most are usually just swapping chassis for a unique wood design Torqueo hit all my boxes in a big way. The attention to detail and design philosophy designing a truly modern Idler drive table was too good to pass up.


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    Primary Control

    Also a maker of turntables, their speciality is the bespoke designs of their reference tonearms. You are allowed your choice of tonearm length 9", 10.5", or 12". Arm body has options for Ebony Grenadil, Snakewood or Titanium Carbon as standard. You can also add extra mass to the headshell plate or counterweight for more or less control of tracking force. Full review of the reference model can be read at Tone Audio here


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    Product line:

    Arrow Tonearm 10.5" 3900 USD

    Reference Tonearm - Starting at 5900 9"

    Kinea DD Turntable - 14000 USD


    **My thoughts - With all the great arms out there to choose from it was a very tough choice on the tonearm. I felt the overall flexibility of length and body options were a great value add to an already well recognized design were a unique option in today's market


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    Echo Diastasis

    Now here was a dark horse in the making. Echo Diastasis pioneered a design for a Solid State circuit that was able to perform without the use any feedback in a dual mono design without use top shelf equipment to keep the price affordable. And the design despite being Solid State is still kept single ended. I love innovation so i was tickled pink to find out more, but sadly the special brand of secret sauce is so secret that I have zero details to share on the designs...


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    Product Line

    I79 Integrated Amplifier - 3850 USD

    PH 79 Phonostage - 3600 USD

    PRE 79 Preamplifier - 3200 USD

    A79 Stereo Amp - 3000 USD


    **My thoughts - I have heard only compression from designs using feedback so whenever I look for a product to review for the portfolio there are several criteria I lean on for the selection process. While I am no longer a believer in SS being the best way to design in electronics all of the design considerations this product achieved at the price point was one area I was willing to overlook and I am glad that I did.
    Believe High Fidelity Ltd is the North American Distributor for:

    Aries Cerat Ltd
    Torqueo Audio
    Vermouth Audio Cables
    Etsuro Urushi Cartridges
    Primary Control
    Echo Diastasis

    Aries Cerat wins Best of Show at Munich High End 2017 http://www.avshowrooms.com/high-end-2017-awards.html
    Kassandra LE DAC wins Best DAC of 2016/2017 with reviewer purchase @ Mono & Stereo! Article here

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    Joshua, further to my comment on Ked's Zero Distortion thread, I believe you've ordered the Jarrett Koln concert 2LP
    So, will you play it on the Torqueo?
    Can you post further details on this tt, their website is frustratingly vague?

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    Quote Originally Posted by spiritofmusic View Post
    Joshua, further to my comment on Ked's Zero Distortion thread, I believe you've ordered the Jarrett Koln concert 2LP
    So, will you play it on the Torqueo?
    Can you post further details on this tt, their website is frustratingly vague?
    Yes, been updating my LP collection with more challenging music to really put the Torqueo through its paces. The Primary Control Tonearm and Zebrano table will arrive around the same time (late May/early June). Will do a full breakdown and report at that time.

    If you have any specifics on the table line you will like to know I would be happy to answer or find out for you.

    Carts I am currently playing with

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    Believe High Fidelity Ltd is the North American Distributor for:

    Aries Cerat Ltd
    Torqueo Audio
    Vermouth Audio Cables
    Etsuro Urushi Cartridges
    Primary Control
    Echo Diastasis

    Aries Cerat wins Best of Show at Munich High End 2017 http://www.avshowrooms.com/high-end-2017-awards.html
    Kassandra LE DAC wins Best DAC of 2016/2017 with reviewer purchase @ Mono & Stereo! Article here

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    It's more that:
    There is fleeting info as to the differences btwn models other than finishes
    Some ambiguity as to whether some models are refurbed idlers like Artisan Fidelity and some are ground-up new designs, which are which?
    Absolutely nothing on reviews, and esp dealers
    Nothing on their provenance

    Can you fill in the gaps?
    Prices c 8-10k seem very reasonable for the level of engineering and materials/aesthetics
    But there are SO many links to "interesting" new gear esp on MonoStereo that never amount to anything that I'm wary of any new kid on the block tt designs

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    Quote Originally Posted by spiritofmusic View Post
    It's more that:
    There is fleeting info as to the differences btwn models other than finishes
    Some ambiguity as to whether some models are refurbed idlers like Artisan Fidelity and some are ground-up new designs, which are which?
    Absolutely nothing on reviews, and esp dealers
    Nothing on their provenance

    Can you fill in the gaps?
    Prices c €8-10k seem very reasonable for the level of engineering and materials/aesthetics
    But there are SO many links to "interesting" new gear esp on MonoStereo that never amount to anything that I'm wary of any new kid on the block tt designs

    There lack of information between models is more due to the lack of differences between them. The Zebrano, Zebrano compact, Noce and BH12 are the top models in the lineup only because there is extra mass in a MK2 design. The other models will eventually have the same plinth design so it really comes down to aesthetics between which design best suits your eyes. The idler drive is OEM and not a refurb and is the same unit used in all the tables within the lineup. This is why the pricing is almost identical amongst all of the options available.

    Given the rebranded/refurb options on the market (like Artisan Fidelity) and the prices for a chassis swap an maybe a tune up on the idler this is a HUGE bargain for both design and build quality. Definitely not just a looker. I have refined the criteria in which I make selections and while there are a lot of interesting stuff out now and being launched this was one of those no-brainer things for me.
    Believe High Fidelity Ltd is the North American Distributor for:

    Aries Cerat Ltd
    Torqueo Audio
    Vermouth Audio Cables
    Etsuro Urushi Cartridges
    Primary Control
    Echo Diastasis

    Aries Cerat wins Best of Show at Munich High End 2017 http://www.avshowrooms.com/high-end-2017-awards.html
    Kassandra LE DAC wins Best DAC of 2016/2017 with reviewer purchase @ Mono & Stereo! Article here

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    Joshua, so you're saying the choices are purely aesthetic, the mechanicals are all (fairly) identical?
    If this is the case, then these are the cheapest new design idlers out there
    I have been very interested in the PTP Solid 12 using reconditioned Lenco L75 parts and motor w new bearing and composite plinth, but for maybe 3x as much, a reasonable price upstick, maybe the Torqueo should be on my list
    No UK dealer listed, or any dealer
    A little trip to Italy, maybe...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by spiritofmusic View Post
    Joshua, so you're saying the choices are purely aesthetic, the mechanicals are all (fairly) identical?
    If this is the case, then these are the cheapest new design idlers out there
    I have been very interested in the PTP Solid 12 using reconditioned Lenco L75 parts and motor w new bearing and composite plinth, but for maybe 3x as much, a reasonable price upstick, maybe the Torqueo should be on my list
    No UK dealer listed, or any dealer
    A little trip to Italy, maybe...?
    Affirmative. At 8k for just the table I wouldn't say cheap though unless you are rolling in the dough

    As far as I am aware there is no UK dealer so you can reach out to Oscar directly and tell him Masongsong sent you. He does sell direct when there is no dealer/distributor, but these are one pager manuals to put together (except the B12 is slightly more complicated) so I would keep it on your shortlist.
    Believe High Fidelity Ltd is the North American Distributor for:

    Aries Cerat Ltd
    Torqueo Audio
    Vermouth Audio Cables
    Etsuro Urushi Cartridges
    Primary Control
    Echo Diastasis

    Aries Cerat wins Best of Show at Munich High End 2017 http://www.avshowrooms.com/high-end-2017-awards.html
    Kassandra LE DAC wins Best DAC of 2016/2017 with reviewer purchase @ Mono & Stereo! Article here

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    Joshua or Masongsong? 🙄
    Willdo
    8k is chump change in today's exponentially rising high end prices
    If they sound as good as they look, 8k will be money well spent
    Are you investing in the seperate arm pod model, or all in one fully integrated?
    I get the advantages of seperating arm and plinth re vibration control esp in an idler drive, but there are so many issues in setup going out of adjustment by not keeping things all together

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    Quote Originally Posted by spiritofmusic View Post
    Joshua or Masongsong? ��
    Willdo
    8k is chump change in today's exponentially rising high end prices
    If they sound as good as they look, 8k will be money well spent
    Are you investing in the seperate arm pod model, or all in one fully integrated?
    I get the advantages of seperating arm and plinth re vibration control esp in an idler drive, but there are so many issues in setup going out of adjustment by not keeping things all together
    Everyone that gets to know me well eventually calls me by my last name Masongsong.

    We did order a Pilastro outboard tonearm base as well as the copper mat and the light clamp. I like the idea if I get arms of various lengths I have the flexibility of the outboard base over the convenience. Not to mention we now distribute the brand so we want to have all available for folks to ooohh and ahhhh over
    Believe High Fidelity Ltd is the North American Distributor for:

    Aries Cerat Ltd
    Torqueo Audio
    Vermouth Audio Cables
    Etsuro Urushi Cartridges
    Primary Control
    Echo Diastasis

    Aries Cerat wins Best of Show at Munich High End 2017 http://www.avshowrooms.com/high-end-2017-awards.html
    Kassandra LE DAC wins Best DAC of 2016/2017 with reviewer purchase @ Mono & Stereo! Article here

    Like us on Facebook!


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    And most importantly, have you heard them?
    8k is an amazing sweet spot for what at least looks like a potentially excellent performer
    Hopefully the quality is not just skin deep
    Since I switched to rim drive, I cannot quite see myself going ever back to belt
    Rim and idlers just convey the message and intent of music so much more forthrightly

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