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Thread: TW Raven 10.5 vs Kuzma 4point

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    TW Raven 10.5 vs Kuzma 4point

    Currently have the Raven 10.5 on my TW Raven GT.
    The 4point looks impressive and gets a lot of good votes, the question is, will it be an upgrade or a side move from the Raven 10.5?
    Would love to hear your experiences.

    If you have different recommendations for an arm in the up to $7000 price range feel free to add your impressions.


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    Addicted to Best! XV-1's Avatar
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    I have a Thales Simplicity II on my TW Raven AC-3. Blows my Graham Phantom out of the water. I love it.

    My dealer carries both Thales and Kuzma - the Thales is the more neutral sounding tonearm. You also get as close to zero tracking error across the record.

    have fun.
    Source:TW Raven AC-3 - Thales Simplicity II, Exclusive P3, Technics SP10mk3, Linn LP12 - Naim ARO
    Cartridges: Lyra Atlas SL, Etna SL, Delos, Dynavector XV-1s, Technics EPC100mk4, Ortofon A90, GM Royal, GM Classic, Denon DL-S1, ESC'd 103R, Audio Tech AT25, OC9II, Linn ESC'd Troika
    Phono Stage: TW Acustik/Thoress phono, Accuphase C-37 EQ: ​​DEQX HDP-4
    Preamp: cj GAT, Amps: cj teflon premier 8a's, D'Agostino Momentum Stereo, Speakers: Wilson Maxx3 -Townsend Supertweeters

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    VIP/Donor [VIP/Donor]
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    I've heard both the Thales and Kuzma Arms above--I am in agreement with XV-1 the Thales is super clean and detailed with the K 4 Point more robust and fuller sounding--both excellent choices

    you pick your poison, plus cartridge choice and compatibility with either arm should also be your determining factor in selection.

    We both come to the conclusion that either arm is far superior to the Graham XV-1 mentions.

    Good Listening,


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    The Simplicity is above my budget, costing ~$9-9.5K.
    Any of you auditioned the Raven 10.5?

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    VIP/Donor [VIP/Donor]
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    Not in my own system--I have a friend with the Raven Arm TW TT setup--sounds good--but I'd venture to say the 4point is better with its Vernier Adjustments for VTA/SRA/ Azimuth/etc an absolute breeze to bring it's performance to SOTA.

    I've owned the latter.


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    VIP/Donor [VIP/Donor] jfrech's Avatar
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    Another to add to the list is a Spiral Groove Centroid. I've owned 3 arms on my current table. Triplan, Schroeder LT and the Centroid.

    The Centroid is super quiet, best bass texture power of these 3 and just super all around. I've used a Lyra Atlas, Allaerts and Goldfinger Statement so a plays well with diff cartridges.
    Speakers: Rockport Altair 2
    Pre & Amp: Nagra HD Pre & Amp
    Cables: Transparent Magnum Opus on sources, Opus Gen 5 Pre to amps & speaker
    Power Transparent Opus, Opus Source Power Cords & Opus Power Isolators
    Digital dCS Vivaldi full stack w/ Transparent Reference XL Digital cables
    Phono: Grand Prix Monaco 2.0 TT, Spiral Groove Centroid, Clearaudio Goldfinger Statement, Nagra VPS/VFS/MPS
    Racks: Grand Prix Audio Silverstone F1 (x4)

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    Acoustical Systems Aquilar ok 7500€ a lot better as TW or Kuzma.
    The Blackness of the Backround in Music is crazy..
    It is the Best Bass Definition i ever hear...

    p.S too much Money for me..
    Best Regards,
    Customade Thorens 124 with Air Suspension
    TW-Acustic 10.5/Zyx Airy3x DIY 13"Arm Ortofon Vienna
    Phono DIY Tube Amp ECC808 SUT Silvercore 1:20

    Digital Foobar Kernelstreaming Aqvox IFI Purifer Low Noise USB Sonic Frontiers SFD 1 DAC
    for HiRes Files Soekris Dac
    Line Pre /Silvaweld SWC 450
    Power Amps/ Raphael Audio EL34 /Yamaha P3500S
    Speakersystem/Open Baffle 15"Coax Dipol Horndriver with active 15"
    Bass (30Hz-19Khz +-2dB) Signal Cable Pure Silver

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