LG W7 OLED TV Hands On | 2017 Model

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3D will probably be back once they can sell glasses-less 3D. OLEDs most likely only removed it to get the higher nits values for HDR. I'd rather have 3D, but obviously the industry is hoping to push 4K and HDR/DV.

I'm not sure about the sound innovation. My main problem is it forces the TV to be angled, unless wall mounted.

I'm thinking like you in regards to 3D, and the push towards 4K with all the features.

As for the audio from that new Sony A1E OLED model, I don't know much, only briefly. I did not know that without mounting it on a wall it has to be angled.
Normally the ideal is to have our eyes in the middle of the screen, vertically, when sitting in our favorite chair/couch. And to have the screen straight, for optimal picture quality.
You just incited me to search into that and find out on the viewing consequences.
 

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This morning Scott Wilkinson (from AVS) posted his mini review of that Sony OLED A1E 4K TV (65" Class):
Sony XBR-65A1E UHD HDR OLED TV First Look

"The A1E supports the HDR10 format for high dynamic range, and it will add Dolby Vision and HLG in a firmware update. This is made possible by the X1 Extreme processor, which is powerful enough to implement Dolby Vision."
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It is an interesting read. He mentioned that the full panel is used as a sound reproducer and the that the back stand is for the low frequencies, as to not vibrate negatively the panel.
He also said that he talked about that technology twenty years ago, so it's not new, but it's the first time that it is utilized from a TV panel like here.

"In a particularly brilliant move, Sony eliminated speakers from the A1E altogether. Instead, a pair of actuators are mounted on the back of the screen, and the entire screen vibrates to reproduce stereo sound. Called Acoustic Surface, this is actually not a new idea—I wrote about it 20 years ago—but it’s the first time I’ve heard of a TV screen being used as the transducer.

I would think you might be able to see the vibrations in the image, but not so. It could be a problem at lower frequencies, but a woofer in the stand takes care of that."

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Also, if you mount it on a wall it has the right position...straight @ 90° parallel to that wall.
But positioned on a table or audio/video stand, it has to be angled; there's no choice here, unless you build/design/custom your own ingenious pedestal yourself.
The angle is not pronounced (few degrees), but still it is not the ideal best for videophiles.

"Speaking of the stand, it’s integrated into the back of the TV; it cannot be removed. It folds out to form an easel-like leg, which causes the screen to lean back. The manual shows how you can bring the screen into a vertical orientation with cables attached to the wall, but I see no way to do it safely if the TV is completely freestanding; it would be far too easy for the screen to fall on its face. Without tying it to the wall, you must watch the TV while it’s tilted away from you, which is not ideal. Alternatively, the stand folds into the back of the TV so you can mount it on the wall, in which case, it will be perfectly vertical."



Looking @ the picture above one can see that the slope is only few degrees of 90°.
Personally if that TV was positioned on a lower designed table (say 12-16" high) it wouldn't be a grave affectation to me; I wouldn't sweat it much.
But first I would have to experiment, to make sure. And if perfectly vertical is the very best picture quality, then two options are presented:
1) Mounting it straight on the wall @ the ideal height.
2) Building a custom pedestal (a good challenge because the bezel is non-existent).
* I would need to see the TV in person to come up with a concept design to accommodate its full vertical position; this is something of my domain.
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I started this thread with the new LG W7 OLED TV, and I'm very happy to see some serious competition. It gives us a much more expanded perspective.
Both TVs in the 65" Class are not inexpensive, but they are in comparison to the 77" Class.
And, along with the Sony Z9D Series, they seem to be the very top best today.

Life is good, the picture is getting better and better, and the technology keeps evolving, and the prices will eventually reach a plateau for lower income earners while the cream of the crop in the larger Class sizes will always remain the domain of the fortunate few high heeled Spanish Stallions.
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That Sony A1E I wish her success in reliability from Sony's support. I love its design, and so far the comments are positive.
Bravo because LG is no more the supreme OLED leader.
And Panasonic OLED is coming up too, as I mentioned earlier, and according to a pro TV connoisseur it augurs brilliantly.

2017 is a good time to be alive...3D or not. But I prefer 3D. :b
...One of these days...Alice, one of these days. ...Glasses-free and bright as the twelve o'clock sun high in the sky...fly like an eagle.
 

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This is an interesting link ? Best TV of 2017

Scroll down a bit for 2017 Best:

- By Design
- By Price (Best TV/Mid-range TV/Budget TV)
- By Size
- By Resolution
- By Type
- By Usage
- By Features
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The 4k LG OLED B6 TV (2016 non-3D model Series) comes back very often in several categories (the next one; the C6 Series does 3D).
All the 2017 LG 7 Series don't do 3D, and so all the other 2017 models from all TV manufacturers: Sony, Samsung, Vizio, Panasonic.
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* Extra (latest review, as of today): Sony Z9D TV Review

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••• 3D is no more the subject du jour for the reviewers @ RTINGS, Montreal, Canada. ...Bien entendu, as it has been abandoned/rejected this year from all TV makers.
But the Sony LED Z9D is a 2016 model Series, so it does 3D. And unfortunately, not the LG OLED W7 Series (along with all the other 2017 LG 7 models, and neither the Sony OLED XBR-A1E Series (along with all the other 2017 Sony models).
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Now:

????? http://www.digitaltrends.com/tv-reviews/lg-signature-oled65w7p-w7-series-oled-tv-review/
????? http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/w7-e7-201703114438.htm
????? https://hdguru.com/review-lgs-signature-65w7-4k-uhd-oled-tv-is-the-best-yet/
????? https://www.stuff.tv/sg/lg/signature-w7-wallpaper-oled/review
••••• http://www.techradar.com/reviews/lg-oled-w7-signature-series
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This ? is thin, bendable (if you like curves ...), amazing!
What's next, one you can truly roll and put inside a small cylinder to bring anywhere with you and just throw it on any wall and it will stick?
The next one we'll buy will come in a tube, no more large boxes like above.
You keep the sound bar/connectivity/upgradeable box unit, and you simply replace the screen by the latest best.
 
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Alright, back to the picture ... :b

First, you have to watch this video:


Lol the guy is funny and not shy.
You'll be be the judge on how good he really is (he is), in informing us with good info we can use wisely, truthfully and without extreme prejudice.
Think only beneficial information we can use, and no bias whatsoever on the sales pushing aspect of that RTINGS thing stuff. ...Ouf!
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OLED: LG compare to Sony. And why not, because the best way to find out who is the best TV is to simply compare some of the top contenders:

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LG OLED W7 | Sony OLED A1E | Samsung QLED

There is no doubt that LG OLED W7 Series is a thing of beauty. ...And so is Sony Bravia XBR-A1E OLED TV.
I believe we're on the right track.
 
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Some reviews (from the best - LG OLED - from higher to lower $ - all 65" Class):

$8,000 range
? 2017 Signature LG 65 W7P OLED 4K Series (No 3D...Bummer) ? https://www.soundandvision.com/content/lg-signature-oled65w7p-oled-ultra-hdtv-review
? Compared to last year 2016 model (Signature LG 65 G6P 4K/3D Series) ? https://www.soundandvision.com/content/lg-signature-oled65g6p-oled-ultra-hdtv-review

$4,000 (half price)
? LG 65 E6P OLED 4K/3D Series (2016 model) ? https://www.soundandvision.com/content/lg-oled65e6p-oled-ultra-hdtv-review

2015/2016 model ($6,000 range)
? LG 65 EF9500 OLED 4K/3D Series ? https://www.soundandvision.com/content/lg-65ef9500-oled-ultra-hdtv-review
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Just for comparisons (Sony 2016 models - 3D):
? Sony XBR-65 Z9D LCD LED 4K/3D Series ($5,500) ? https://www.soundandvision.com/content/sony-xbr-65z9d-lcd-ultra-hdtv-review
? Sony XBR-65 X930D LCD LED 4K/3D Series ($3,000) ? https://www.soundandvision.com/content/sony-xbr-65x930d-lcd-ultra-hdtv-review
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Just for fun (2015 model) $$$,$$$
? Vizio Reference RS120-B3 LCD 4K - 120" Class - $130,000 (No 3D...Bummer) ? https://www.soundandvision.com/content/vizio-reference-rs120-b3-lcd-ultra-hdtv
 

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Thanks for all this info Northstar. Still do not which tv is going to replace my Pioneer 65 inch kuro plasma tv but I am seriously thinking about a LG oled tv. That said, still like the kuro.
 

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Thanks for all this info Northstar. Still do not which tv is going to replace my Pioneer 65 inch kuro plasma tv but I am seriously thinking about a LG oled tv. That said, still like the kuro.

I'm in the same boat, and I keep putting off pulling the trigger on a replacement. My biggest concern now is smooth but natural motion, and I find that's not addressed nearly enough in reviews.
 

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Smooth motion is something very very important to me too. I'm a firm believer in high frame rate (fps). ...The software.



This 4K/UHD Blu-ray movie title (directed by Ang Lee) was filmed @ 120fps and transferred to 4K Blu-ray @ 60fps. From several video experts this is smoother motion (the movie plays better on the UHD format).
All the TVs, front projectors, Blu-ray players use processing in their video chips to smooth content @ 24fps (the Blu-ray standard).
And by processing the video signal they all are introducing artifacts...more or less. No one is doing it perfectly. Plasma TVs from yesterday, including KUROs, were some of the best in smooth moving pictures, inherent of plasma technology (600Hz refresh rate).

"The film is notable for its technical execution, shooting at 120 frames per second (presented at a standard 24 for the Blu-ray release but 60FPS for this UHD release). Viewing the film at 24FPS yields an interesting perspective, presenting less a hyper-real take and more a fairly bland, straightforward, almost stage-production-quality picture built on close-ups and perspective shots that call attention to the emotion of the moment and the underlying character analysis playing at its center. At 60FPS, as with this release, it's an entirely different experience, and in a good way.

The film director, Ang Lee clearly knew what he was doing -- this is certainly no gimmick -- and even without the "full" experience the movie plays a fair bit better in this state. The movie offers an entirely different textural quality than one is accustomed to viewing. It's much smoother without losing any detail. In fact, it's just the opposite, finding a significant boost in detailing with the native 4K imagery. The frame rate boost doesn't simply enhance motion, it seems to bring out more nuanced detail than ever before, even glistening tears and reflections in the eye, which are critical in capturing the title character's inner feelings contrasted against outer surroundings in key scenes, particularly during the halftime show. The close-up shots transition from dull and mundane in 1080/24p to a breathtaking experience here, revealing much more character nuance that's not necessarily lost on the other version but certainly lessened by a significant amount. Basic detailing increases by a wide margin as well, including pores and pimples, crisp military uniform lines and decorations, and even the sandy, pebbly terrain in Iraq, boosted even well beyond the fantastic 1080p Blu-ray. The HDR color enhancement is wonderfully complimentary. Everything is notably richer, brighter, more nuanced and better saturated, including blood in a critical scene. It's an amazing display of the format's capabilities and, as with everything else, only enhances the total viewing experience."


I don't have personal experience with the new LG OLED W7 Series, and the new Sony OLED A1E Series. I only know what I'm reading from the experts.
By the way, the Sony OLED A1E has not been reviewed yet by Mr. Thomas Norton (from SoundandVision). It'll come though, soon.

When I first started this thread I was inclined with LG OLED. But upon further readings I discovered Sony's comeback to the scene with their first OLED TV series.
Furthermore, Sony is perfecting more and more the LCD LED technology in their Bravia TVs, including the Z9D Series. The Z9D is a brighter picture, for daytime watching.
I also believe it has more nits than both LG and Sony top OLED TVs.

As for motion flow, from all their 4K video processors, including the ones inside 4K front projectors and 4K Blu-ray players; I am still learning and reading.

* Last: what I am reading regarding the new Sony OLED A1E 4K TV Series, indicates a superior video chip processor...the X1 Extreme HDR processor chip.
I started a thread dedicated to that specific Series.

I am in the exact same boat as you guys; I'm here to learn about the best overall, including blacks and motion flow. I'm 100% open to comparison with other brands of TVs, even in this LG OLED thread. Because what we learn the most from LG OLED is when we compare it with the other market players.
I am not an audio/video dealer, I am 100% unbiased. The info I try my best to gather together I do put the time and effort to learn from the best. @ least I try hard.

The reviews above are from the best, and Tom Norton is a well respected audio/video reviewer. The Sony OLED A1E is still yet to come from Tom...
And we all know that 3D is no more in 2017, so I put aside my inclination to the new expansion...4K Blu-ray standard without 3D.

I'll try to ask some experts which TV is best @ picture motion flow. When I learned something worth mentioning in that regard I'll invite the experts right here to share with us.

But I truly believe that we are extremely limited with 24fps. Ang Lee, Peter Jackson, and James Cameron (most likely other film directors too) are on the right track with higher frame rate per second. That is my opinion. And sometimes what is best is not what we are offered. It takes accustomization for our eyes with the screen display. And time is money, so money first before superior art. It's human $ nature. ...Just like the films that make over a billion dollars @ the worldwide box office. They are not necessarily the best films chosen by the Cannes film judges, absolutely not.

Stay tuned because it is of great interest to me too, or I wouldn't have started this thread here from an elite group of people in search of the best.
 
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Meanwhile ...

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/tv-refresh-rates-explained,review-3750.html [July 2016]
http://4k.com/everything-you-need-to-know-about-4k-tv-refresh-rates-in-one-post-15371-2/ [June 2016]
? http://ca.rtings.com/tv/tests/motion/motion-blur-and-response-time [February 2016] ? Check this link for the best rated TVs @ motion blur, plus individual reviews.

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/lcdtvs/turn-off-these-3-features-in-every-tv [September 2015]
https://www.cnet.com/news/ultra-hd-4k-tv-refresh-rates/ [August 2015]
https://hdguru.com/nothing-refreshing-about-refresh-rates-this-year/ [July 2015]
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P.S. The Sony OLED A1E is mentioned often as the best one (one of) to handle motion blur with a tiny more finesse than the LG OLEDs.
It is most likely due to this video chip (that's what most are saying):



The new Sony OLED A1E is making the news recently with a pitch fever. It is not a rage, not a disease, but more like a fatal attraction.
And it's a good one for motion blur, not perfect...but perhaps best today among others.

As for LCD LED from Sony in regards to motion blur (Z9D Series): http://ca.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/z9d (just scroll down to the 'Motion' section)
 
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I'm in the same boat, and I keep putting off pulling the trigger on a replacement. My biggest concern now is smooth but natural motion, and I find that's not addressed nearly enough in reviews.

I bought a LG65g6v tv last week. The combi of 4k sharpness and the beautiful oled colours are so impressive that I decided to make this move. The price difference between this 2016 model with 3d and the LG and Sony 2017 models is (still) considerable in the Netherlands so I opted for the former.
 

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