No you don't. What you must do is be professional and not run off with personal innuendo when someone says less than 100% positive about the experience they heard at the show.
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Maybe that's the reasons I stopped coming to Hi-Fi shows. I rather spend time in forums learning from different people experiences in different conditions. Much more useful.
You do have an agenda and you are trash and down right lying. I suggest you stay away from me!
You don't remember talking about the challenges you had with the room? And me talking about how dead these rooms could be due to floor carpet and drop ceiling? We must have talked for at least five minutes in the back row about the room acoustics.
Indeed after saying hello it was you that started this conversation. There was no place for me to sit so I had not yet formed any opinion about the room. So I had no reason to bring up any discussion in this regard.
I agree. I was at AXPONA and mostly didn't expect that great of a sound (in fact, I was in Chicago mainly for another event that weekend, otherwise I might not have come). I came to the show mostly just for curiosity and to meet with friends. I did have high hopes for a few specific rooms, which partially lived up to expectations or even exceeded them.
I was pleasantly surprised to actually find some good sound elsewhere too. If the sound is good, that's a positive learning experience. If it's not good, I don't necessarily judge. But exhibitors should not expect such an attitude from most visitors of a show. That is why I keep hammering on the importance of good sound, despite all difficulties (and I really don't like the cheap complaints and excuses by exhibitors).
The most useful obviously is listening to other people's systems at home, which I do. They have had the time to optimize the sound over months or even years.
Only words out of my mouth was hello Amir. Your thinking of someone else and I was busy with the turntable. Nice try.
The people who know me here Amir know that I am straight up. I'm straight up with everyone. I would rather admit I was wrong and get my hand slapped then to lie. You would be the last person I would discuss room issues with considering you posting history and Damon is the same way.
You're saying something interesting here. Thought-provoking. Actually, the one guy who has elevated the game (read: kicked manufacturers in the ass to strive for sonic perfection at a show) is Jonathan Valin. Before him, the pressonly talked about what things were and what they cost. He started reviewing performance at the show. He openly crucified and praised rooms.....frightening! He forced us all to raise our game. To try to sound like perfection on day one. God, I hate that and I love that. I love the challenge of the impossible because it benefits all of us. All manufacturers are challenged to do the impossible, and all listeners (JV's consequence) get to judge the result. The blessing is that JV has the wheelbase and intellect to level-set his praise and criticisms to the prevailing difficulty of the venue........
JV can be tough
That's the understatement of the century! :-0
He's relentless! He takes no prisoners. He fundamentally transformed the industry. ...........and that's a good thing.
...........from what I read, he's very accessible when he posts an article. But, if you argue with him make sure you express yourself well. He was educated at the University of Chicago in literature when Saul Bellow was walking the halls.
All this talk of poor room acoustics and other room related issues at shows, while very apropos most of the time, cannot be attributed to the room all of the time. IMO, there have to be instances when the gear being exhibited simply has problems. I suspect that most manufacturers want to blame the room...simply because this is far easier than admitting that their wares are faulty in any way.
Good point indeed Davey but my question was simple..... how could a system in one room several weeks earlier by all accounts be one of the best at Axpona but when the exact same gear is played in Munich it isn't. The room must be a factor
You're entitled to think my report was crap, and it was personal in as much as it reflected my personal taste in gear. Let it be clear to everybody that I have nothing, ZERO, NADA against you or VSA. Heck I barely know you! But for a number of reasons, I just chose not to carry your products in my store, that's it. Perhaps it's YOU that's taking things personally, since I chose not to work with VSA?
I didn't even mention the VSA room in my report, the one you said was "crap". I responded to a generic query made by Steve, and again, I responded with my *personal* opinion. I didn't say the room was crap, or that it had issues, or that it sucked or this or that. I just said I was underwhelmed, and the *music* wasn't to my liking, which made me not to want to linger. If you see my postings in other forums, I made the very same comment about the kind of music being playing in most rooms. The music in general in Munich was not the best, and it was kinda hard to put requests in with so many people in the rooms.
Now, Steve, admins, is that a crime? Is that an offense? Really? So I am not allowed to post my opinion on a certain brands?
Steve,
You might be on to something. As Joel mentioned, VSA's room was not one of the standard ones, and being their first year, it must've been extra challenging. Even in the more standard rooms, room treatments were all over the place, sometimes overwhelmingly so...
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