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News coverage, and how we interpret it, will continue to divide us. It will be interesting to see if newsmakers start to bypass conventional news distribution and begin to communicate directly with their audiences. They may already have begun.
When the news of the Japan earthquake and Tsunami broke out the other day, I immediately when to NHK and watched their live transmission of it. Heaven help us if all of these major sources of news with their large resources go out of business and we are left at the mercy of some blogger with his phone camera for such critical news.

But yes, the Internet is eroding their business because they can't monetize the web nearly as much as they can with captive TV. And their content instantly gets copied on the Internet without them getting paid. Should we celebrate that because of the presidential election we just had? I don't think so.
 

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The problem is that there is no regulation on the news and advertisements. It's a business; the business of attracting audiences with either true or false news.
And we are also bombarded with advertisements that are so ridicule that it's making our societies lost in debility.

Facebook is promoting false/fake advertisement/news...no doubt about that.
Its social impact is huge, and it can influence major public movements into the dark abyss of the world empire's decline. Clint Eastwood ain't dead, and Sylvester Stallone is alive, and Arnold is around and Mickey Rourke keeps a low profile and Tom Cruise has many friends and fans and Angelina is still very pretty and Johnny Depp is a friend of Tim Burton, and Brad is human, and ...
Twitter is no better. All the major news media of the internet and on TV, like CNN, FOX, ...and the newspapers from New York, Washington, Los Angeles, Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver, Boston, Chicago, Texas, Florida, Seattle, San Diego, Mexico City, Panama, Brazil, France, England, Ireland, Russia, Thailand, Japan, China, India, Australia, etc., they are more or less biased from their own country's set of regulations and censorship.

It's up to us to sort this mess out, and sue the big corporations like the tobacco industry, the car industry, the polluting oil companies, Imperial Tobacco, Volkswagen, ...with their deceptive and fake advertisements, with their lies, with killing our planet and our people, companies like many banks, insurances, charity organisations, drug companies, chemical companies, plastic companies, textile companies, ...the ones who pollute and exploit their workers, all over the world.
What are governments good for? What kings and queens good for? What is democracy good for? What all people living on our planet good for?

Don't read those articles if you haven't time to waste:
http://ottawacitizen.com/news/local...cal-journals-publishes-fake-research-for-cash
http://www.therecord.com/opinion-st...o-meet-the-real-reporters-who-die-on-the-job/
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/yrp-fake-email-fines-1.3863064

? This, yes, have a look ? http://www.ndtv.com/topic/fake/news

Some Twitter accounts are getting closed because it's getting insane what some people are promoting.
Today some experts tell some people to challenge our democracy.
Some hidden gold was found.
Some groups were dismantled.
Some movie/music stars use their fame for the wrong reasons.

The news are becoming more and more non-sense because it sells! People are getting rich from fake news, false adds, fake emails, deceptive claims, from lies.
TV networks, news websites, internet social media, ...are packed with news opportunists, charlatans, agenda driven people, highly biased motivators, lies, lies and lies.

And no wonder; the people who we elect are the first ones to set the tone. ...Not just today, but yesterday and tomorrow too.
Are we that blind, that low, can we be better than that! Who's responsible? All of us...that's who. Don't blame the neighbor, blame yourself to allow it.
But what can you do? You don't have the money to fight, to hire the best lawyers... And that, is the problem. It's the ideal planet, Earth, to be a crook.

This won't last forever, or maybe it will...
You guys know a good safe place where I can go dancing tonight? Is there a ballroom somewhere in one of those sumptuous towers?

News consumption...that's all of us...consumers. Be it real or fake the news delivery system doesn't care...as long that the system sells news to their audience and that its creators, CEOs and teams are getting rewarded nicely financially.
 

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When the news of the Japan earthquake and Tsunami broke out the other day, I immediately when to NHK and watched their live transmission of it. Heaven help us if all of these major sources of news with their large resources go out of business and we are left at the mercy of some blogger with his phone camera for such critical news.

But yes, the Internet is eroding their business because they can't monetize the web nearly as much as they can with captive TV. And their content instantly gets copied on the Internet without them getting paid. Should we celebrate that because of the presidential election we just had? I don't think so.

This is a concern of mine, because those nuclear reactors in Japan are a huge nightmare. I feel that we don't have the true news because if we would it wouldn't be good news.
I bet many true news are hidden from the public, for sanity reasons.
It is sad that even science cannot be shared publicly; the real scientific facts. Am I right in my line of thought?
 

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You still talk in plural. That is the foundation of soldier mentality Peter. Did you watch the TED video?

When I watch that interview, I examine it not as democrat or republican. I don't watch it as pro Trump or Clinton/Obama. I don't watch it as being against or pro media.

I just watch it as an individual, examining what is no longer material in any kind of war or debate. In that sense, it goes against all logic to me personally that he would lose all common sense and advocate in such clear, non-nervous, and non-defensive tone and body style for illegals to go and vote. It makes no sense at all to assume that is what he wanted to advocate on TV. It is no more real to me than saying there are aliens in Area 51.

I read your post and it does not follow this kind of "scout" mentality Peter. One where you are gathering information and relying on that as the important bit.

Yes, I did write that "many have learned not to follow the major news sources". That is my observation from talking to people and it may too be fact. Is that not obvious? Is it even controversial? "Many" also watched the Super Bowl. So did I. Is that "talking in plural" too? I guess I don't follow what you are saying about soldier mentality. "Many" people voted too, for each candidate.

I watch it and other stuff as in individual too, just like you, with my own two eyes, nobody else's. I also don't watch it as pro Trump or Clinton/Obama. I don't watch it as being agains or pro media. The media brings it to us to watch. We watch and hear clearly someone speaking, unfiltered. Watching and reading a variety of media leads us somewhere closer to the truth, as Bob might write.

I don't know what you mean by "scout".

I am indeed hopeful and very thankful this holiday. Happy Thanksgiving to you Amir, and to all members of WBF.
 

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The story about the POTUS and his comments about illegals voting was more believable for me than this story Bob

Contrary to what others have said here all of us saw that video clip and heard it for what it was
 

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I'm more concerned with all this sudden talk about fake news than actual fake news, looks like they're sneakily herding the public towards the slippery slope of censorship. Every article I've seen on fake news comes with it's own manipulation of the facts and pseudo statistics.

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Is this true? ? http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world...ed-90/ar-AAkLNtu?li=AAggbRN&OCID=ansmsnnews11

I'm pretty sure it is.
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Now this, to come back to my previous story: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadcast_signal_intrusion

And from that wikipedia link above, this:
"On November 24, 2016, thirty minutes of pornography aired on a Boston, Massachussets feed of CNN for RCN cable viewers. RCN did not immediately respond."

Last paragraph near the end, from this section: Cable network feed intrusions

And other website news, few of them, reported the same.
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* Great article to read in full (World News): http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world...at-90/ar-AAkLL11?li=AAggv0m&OCID=ansmsnnews11

Bonus: http://inthenow.media/
 
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I'm more concerned with all this sudden talk about fake news than actual fake news, looks like they're sneakily herding the public towards the slippery slope of censorship. Every article I've seen on fake news comes with it's own manipulation of the facts and pseudo statistics.

You are right, but not just that:

- It's the undertone, the sub-text that other sources except themselves are 'fake'

- It's a diversion from the fact that they themselves blasted people with obvious fake news all this time

That video of Barry above is just a drop in the ocean... it's nowhere as damning as some other things which should be news and reported upon by real journalists but are blatantly swept under the rug and covertly bypassed or overtly ridiculed or dismissed.

Find out what #<>gate is the current issue these mass-distractors aren't covering or are busy covering up for and find out why.
 

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Today there was an article about Phil Collins (Genesis drummer) casting doubt on moon landing! ? http://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/other/phil-collins-casts-doubt-on-moon-landing/ar-AAkNRbv

Did the moon landing happen? Me I believe it did, you? :b
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And this; I did not know that Miami Beach is running out of sand, and that the sand there is there came by trucks:
http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/weekendreads/sands-end/ar-AAkG2O7?li=AAadgLE

It's no fake sand, but it's not the natural sand from the beaches either. ...That was an illuminating article on the rising costs of making sandy beaches on the USA East coast.

I think it's safe to say that global warming is raising the oceans and diminishing the sand of the land's beaches. Manhattan Island for example; they'll have to export land pretty soon if they want to build more Trump towers and high rise hotels and skyscrapers, ...similar to what they do in Dubai.
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And this: http://www.popularmechanics.com/tec...n-francisco-skyscraper-is-leaningand-sinking/
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/06/san-francisco-leaning-millennium-tower-investigation

Is this true? Can they omitted few important details when they built it?
I've read few other articles, and owner's comments (rich owners who live there in that luxurious tower), and it is quite something.
On top if you put some marbles on the floor, they'll all roll down towards one direction.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11/25/san_francisco_millennium_tower/

Two days ago this was the first article I've read about it: http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/satellite-san-francisco-tower-sinking-1.3867594
 
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2016 will go in the history book as a "FAKE" year. There are so many fake news out there it's just unbelievable!
He said, she said, the police said, the FBI said, the CIA said, blah-blah-blah and nobody have any drop of evidence, no proof, no written documents, no recorded phone calls, not a cent of sense and factual proof to collaborate all the "junk" news out there.
It is so full of it that I just don''t know where to start and which link about which subject.
The news reporters, the officials elected, the government agencies, the people from the newspapers, news media, social medias, actors/actresses, stars, the people from all life venues are lost in a vast sea of fake news and they are victims of spreading them themselves because the true real news are extremely sad to tell.

Should we tell the real news, what's truly going on?

Tentative: Kids are dying all over; Syria, California, China, India, Canada, Japan, Russia, South America, ... and all what the world is concern about is a recount, building nuclear reactors right beside our oceans, paycheck for our service providers and protectors, what actors and actresses from Hollywood have to say about not much @ all, the weather, the snow (weather is fun, it always have been...hi Mum, how's the weather today? :b), ...the games being played right in front of us are a disgrace when all the kids are forgotten and dying everywhere by the thousands each and every single day! We live in a pathetic, disgraceful world of twisted and fake news. ...And a bunch of lies too, with corruption all over.

I just don't know where to start it makes me sick real sick from head to toes. Our values are completely wrong. We are annihilating our planet and the people living on it.
If you try to do good, you are on the wrong side of life. If you try to live in a democracy you are pounded by a system of people who cannot accept it. There is so much bull and hatred that our blindness is our major sickness killing all the children.

Fake news are felonies that should be punishable by jail sentences for all te people who work for the news media who poison us with them. It's brainwashing to the extreme. It creates all destruction and anarchy. In a high speed world of communication/information global highway, the distribution and propagation of fake news (when no evidence is supplied) is a grave criminal act. The way I see it it leads to exactly that. Do you see it similar to me?

I can give you thousands of examples; from the car industry, the stock markets, the official agencies, the oil industry, the business managers, the real estate industry, the housing market, the water reservoirs, the smog, the smoke, smokescreens, the drug dealers, the tobacco taxes, ...the full assortment of fake people with fake news.

The true news is that nobody truly care but about themselves and themselves only; all we do is to blame the next person and never never ourselves.
We lost our true identities, our human sensitivities to gain false papers, false jobs, fake values, to gain a world of lies, deceptions and mass corruption on a scale so large that we don't have any exit doors! The disease is so widespread that hope for a better tomorrow has completely vanished. There is no better example than buy the newspaper today and everyday, or turn your TV on, or turn your computer on, or turn your cell phone on, and see all the fake stuff keeping expanding and expanding more and more @ a paste that cannot be stopped and will never stop unless we all say enough is enough and put our resources (financial) together and punish the malpractices of the toxic waste news that is poisoning the people in a worse fashion than putting arsenic in our coffee in the morning and in our glasses of milk with our cookies in the evening snacks.

I just don't know where to start; Russia is behind the elections, says the CIA! Without any evidence @ all! We just have to believe them? Like when they said that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq so that we can invade, conquer, steal the oil, liberate the people, and live with the consequences that came after?
See, that kind of fake news is what killing us all.

Another one; Japan...in Japan we know that earthquakes is part of the geographical map. Then why build nuclear reactors right by the ocean??? I don't get it, I really don't because any child with a brain will know right away that it is genocide, suicide, mass killing the earth, the waters, the world's populations across the seas!

Another one; Oakland, San Francisco...the warehouse fire that kills 36 kids. The inspection papers have vanished, the owners have vanished, the inspectors, the city has vanished, the laws have vanished, the paychecks for the officials have risen!

Another one; in Syria. Wow, where can I really start! The kids are saying to us: "Don't you care?" ...They're the victims; and everyone else around them are their executioners.

Oh, we live on a beautiful blue planet, no doubt. ...Full of good news with fake twisted reality of power, control, greed, complete human decadence.

We got snow here today on the Island; it's all white everywhere, it's beautiful.
 

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Now this is scary....good-bye first amendment? Boy they are really pist that Hillary lost.

Senate Quietly Passes The "Countering Disinformation And Propaganda Act" | Zero Hedge http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-...-countering-disinformation-and-propaganda-act
 

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Oh yes Roger, fear is running loose. ...And with it a bunch of wacko news.

This enchilada recount business thing is the fear created in the loser's damaged brain: http://thehofstrachronicle.com/recount-2016s-last-big-joke/
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/latest-michigan-court-members-recount-44086754
http://heavy.com/news/2016/12/wisco...rogress-status-latest-new-rules-laws-numbers/

This is Christmas time, a New Year is upon us; time for a swim in the ocean...hopefully not too radioactive.
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When I was @ school we honored and encouraged and supported the winners in all disciplines. That's the mature way, that's the way of being all winners.
There were no losers in my classes, only winners, all across the board. Then with school over, and equipped of our diplomas we hit the outside world, the streets with no names. We met directly with corporate greed and all the very bad influences of the most rotten corruption running free like a wide and uncontrollable spreading disease.

Oh well, I hope they fine heavily and jail for long long time all the fake news starters, the bullies, the very people appearing on social medias and on the screens of our TVs.
Would you believe that some TV channels are still broadcasting this guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Popoff
The people running those TV channels should be jailed forever because they are destroying this world by preying on the weak and deprived. They steal money from the poorest of the poorest.

This world is upside down, I could write few encyclopedias about it, but there are already some in our libraries.
 

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Oh yes Roger, fear is running loose. ...And with it a bunch of wacko news.

This enchilada recount business thing is the fear created in the loser's damaged brain: http://thehofstrachronicle.com/recount-2016s-last-big-joke/
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/latest-michigan-court-members-recount-44086754
http://heavy.com/news/2016/12/wisco...rogress-status-latest-new-rules-laws-numbers/

This is Christmas time, a New Year is upon us; time for a swim in the ocean...hopefully not too radioactive.
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When I was @ school we honored and encouraged and supported the winners in all disciplines. That's the mature way, that's the way of being all winners.
There were no losers in my classes, only winners, all across the board. Then with school over, and equipped of our diplomas we hit the outside world, the streets with no names. We met directly with corporate greed and all the very bad influences of the most rotten corruption running free like a wide and uncontrollable spreading disease.

Oh well, I hope they fine heavily and jail for long long time all the fake news starters, the bullies, the very people appearing on social medias and on the screens of our TVs.
Would you believe that some TV channels are still broadcasting this guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Popoff
The people running those TV channels should be jailed forever because they are destroying this world by preying on the weak and deprived. They steal money from the poorest of the poorest.

This world is upside down, I could write few encyclopedias about it, but there are already some in our libraries.

It's not fear Bob....it's all about control,money and power. The internet is a two edged sword and a leveling field for those...who counter those in control. Do they feel threatened...you bet they do and they will censor or jail dissidents. So what's new in the information age? It is fulfilling it's promise and you can bet that will be stifled. People are waking up and that's a good thing.
 

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