Ambivalent About 2 Channel Stereo

stehno · Sep 6, 2016

still-one said:
Damn, you should run for office. You would fit well with others who make comments on what they haven't heard. That is worse than being a shill for the MQA format.

I don't blame you for your snide comment about my not having heard MQA yet still I still condemn it. Especially when the subject matter has anything to do with "high-end" audio where it often times seems anything goes.

But surely you realize there are often times several reasons for somebody making such a statement that to some could be interpreted as outlandish or non-sensical.

But hopefully you also noticed that I said the over-the-top performance claims associated with the MQA format by Stuart, Harley, et al, are impossible to achieve. Not just by MQA but any format.

Did you catch that? I-M-P-O-S-S-I-B-L-E.

Golly, you don't suppose I'm implying that maybe, just maybe, I know something you don't? Or is that impossible too?

NorthStar · Sep 6, 2016

From a prior link I posted, I also own this one on 3D Blu-ray.

I like Peter Gabriel, I got few of his albums (LPs and CDs) plus few more on Blu.
I omitted it because, one the 3D is nothing spectacular here (but when given the choice I generally pick the 3D version; it comes with the 2D version too).
And two the multich. audio while it's good, it did not blow me away ... http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Peter-Gabriel-New-Blood-Live-in-London-3D-Blu-ray/28513/#Review

Fitzcaraldo215 · Sep 7, 2016

witchdoctor said:
Thanks, the onlu Mch recordings I have checked out are on DVD and BRD. Can you recommend some SACD's? As for what the engineers heard I think JBL speakers are a good choice. I use JBL 230's in my desktop rig and find them very clear and detailed. The LSR series are like the 230's little brothers. I prefer choosing my own amp instead of the class D's used in the LSR 305 and 308. But the 3 series s are cheap and are what a LOT of engineers are using to mix.Thanks
[video]https://youtu.be/LG8AfSAhbQY[/video]

[video]https://youtu.be/qOySstGCMRg[/video]

This is the site you need to become familiar with. It lists all SACDs and all BD-As, identifying which are Mch. The reviews are also very reliable. It is the world's best website devoted to recordings, though it covers only hi rez audio discs:

http://www.hraudio.net/

You need to select the music of interest to you. But, three SACD labels are consistently among my favorites for sonics in Mch: BIS, Channel Classics and RCO Live. There are others, mostly smaller than these.

witchdoctor · Sep 7, 2016

Fitzcaraldo215 said:
This is the site you need to become familiar with. It lists all SACDs and all BD-As, identifying which are Mch. The reviews are also very reliable. It is the world's best website devoted to recordings, though it covers only hi rez audio discs:

http://www.hraudio.net/

You need to select the music of interest to you. But, three SACD labels are consistently among my favorites for sonics in Mch: BIS, Channel Classics and RCO Live. There are others, mostly smaller than these.

Thank you very much. I use a blue ray player on my PC snd do not have an SACD player. I am eyeing one on Audiogon a Denon DBP-2012UDCI for $100. I can rip BRD on my PC and just play the files as needed. My question is should I just stick with blue ray music discs or take the leap and get an SACD player? I can download DSD files as well. Those SACD's can get expensive. Your thoughts?

BTW, great link, this looks very interesting:

http://www.hraudio.net/showmusic.php?title=11019

NorthStar · Sep 7, 2016

An Oppo Universal BR player, like the 103, would be a wise choice for all type of high-res audio files, plus all type of high-res audio discs.
You can even play DSD files with it. It supports WAV, FLAC and other hi-res audio codecs. Plus it does so much more...
? https://www.oppodigital.com/hra/dsd-by-davidelias.aspx

You can find some secondhand ones for not very much money @ all.

witchdoctor · Sep 7, 2016

NorthStar said:
An Oppo Universal BR player, like the 103, would be a wise choice for all type of high-res audio files, plus all type of high-res audio discs. You can even get DSD files with it. It supports Wav, Flac and several more hi-res audio codecs. Plus it does so much more...

You can find some secondhand ones for not very much money @ all.

OK, I can already play BRD and CD's so it would be used primarily for SACD and DVD-A. Is it worth the extra coin just to be able to add those two formats? My PC BRD player has the added advantage of ripping the discs to the HD so I generally stream them from my PC rather than play the actual disc.

NorthStar · Sep 7, 2016

If physical discs from SACD and DVD Audio are not in your collection, no.
And, like you said, for only $100 you can add that capability; with an inexpensive universal disc player.

You are a high-res audio PC man, you store your music collection in your PC. That's the new wave; physical discs are only for material people living in the past, like me. :b

witchdoctor · Sep 7, 2016

NorthStar said:
If physical discs from SACD and DVD Audio are not in your collection, no.
And, like you said, for only $100 you can add that capability; with an inexpensive universal disc player.

You are a high-res audio PC man, you store your music collection in your PC. That's the new wave; physical discs are only for material people living in the past, like me. :b

Thanks Northstar, I'll spend the $100 on those Yes BRD instead.

witchdoctor · Sep 8, 2016

I found a media payer that will plat every file including SACD. I didn't know you can get SACD via ISO files:

https://www.cloudmedia.com/?product=a-500

Fitzcaraldo215 · Sep 8, 2016

witchdoctor said:
OK, I can already play BRD and CD's so it would be used primarily for SACD and DVD-A. Is it worth the extra coin just to be able to add those two formats? My PC BRD player has the added advantage of ripping the discs to the HD so I generally stream them from my PC rather than play the actual disc.

SACD is the #1 source for Mch music by far. Not even close.

Yes, many inexpensive universal players play SACD. But, if you want to rip them, only a few special players do that from Oppo and Pioneer.

http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f...ing-using-oppo-or-pioneer-yes-its-true-29251/

I rip mine to my NAS via an Oppo 103 and play them with JRiver.

witchdoctor · Sep 8, 2016

Fitzcaraldo215 said:
SACD is the #1 source for Mch music by far. Not even close.

Yes, many inexpensive universal players play SACD. But, if you want to rip them, only a few special players do that from Oppo and Pioneer.

http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f...ing-using-oppo-or-pioneer-yes-its-true-29251/

I rip mine to my NAS via an Oppo 103 and play them with JRiver.

Nice link, thanks for the help

Kal Rubinson · Sep 8, 2016

witchdoctor said:
I found a media payer that will plat every file including SACD. I didn't know you can get SACD via ISO files:

https://www.cloudmedia.com/?product=a-500

But only stereo.

NorthStar · Sep 8, 2016

Indeed, a stereo DAC: http://www.esstech.com/files/4114/4095/2154/ES9023_PB_101103.pdf

Kal Rubinson · Sep 8, 2016

NorthStar said:
Indeed, a stereo DAC: http://www.esstech.com/files/4114/4095/2154/ES9023_PB_101103.pdf

Sure but there's not reason you cannot have 3 of them.

However, it was my riposte to the statement that it will play "every file including SACD." Also, some of us have accumulated large collections of ISOs.

NorthStar · Sep 8, 2016

I've read the literature first, to make sure. :b

* The OP is interested in good hi-res audio music recordings to get upmixed by Auro-Matic. You certainly can do that with hi-res stereo recordings, and multichannel ones can be "exotic" to expand even further more in those two other layers...the height and top ones, as many have six discrete channels (5.1) already on the lower layer (floor level).

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