from my perspective a Magico Q7+QSub is absolutely not "an active full range integrated system with built in amplifier for the low frequencies". because the Q7 is a stand alone speaker it will not completely integrate with an added subwoofer.....any.....added......subwoofer. will it get close to being integrated? can you be 'almost' pregnant?
to make myself clear.......let's say instead of the standard Q7 Magico changed the crossover and maybe the drivers too to roll off at the bottom perfectly so it matched the characteristics of the QSub so it was a completely smooth transition. this new 'altered' Q7 would no longer work as a stand alone speaker because it lacked fullness in the lowest octave. this 'altered' Q7/QSub combo which was then designed to absolutely integrate is then compared to a Standard Q7 w/QSub. you would then be able to hear what 'integrated' means compared to 'adding a sub to a full range speaker'. there is a difference. and the harder you push the cobbled together pair the more you would hear where the match is not quite right.
YG has done the hard part of full integration with twin towers. it's just a fully passive approach. I hope to hear it sometime.
On a less super-custom basis, i will say that even our Velodyne DD18+ controls (which include an 8-band EQ, low pass crossover and crossover slope, subsonic filter/roll-off (for sub 15hz/vinyl issues), phase shift and Q, as well as how hard you want the servo-correction to work) are indeed very helpful in setting up the bass so that the music sounds absolutely solid and flat all the way down into the teens in hz. I can only imagine with it must be like when the full design is customized throughout the frequency range and fully integrated into one design. I suppose Wilson Crossover & Thors would be the closest which i have heard are truly awe-inspiring when set up well.
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I assume that response is with the 15hz filter engaged?
yes, though at 6db rolloff...i have since increased the rolloff.
Still must sound marvelous. Thanks for the explanation. My saying,'There's no low end in the high end" usually applies, as most people don't ever own/hear/feel pipe organ recordings with 8hz notes or try to reproduce the large amounts of sub 20hz information in movies with their main stereo speakers. Congrats on owning such great system.
from my perspective a Magico Q7+QSub is absolutely not "an active full range integrated system with built in amplifier for the low frequencies". because the Q7 is a stand alone speaker it will not completely integrate with an added subwoofer.....any.....added......subwoofer. will it get close to being integrated? can you be 'almost' pregnant?
to make myself clear.......let's say instead of the standard Q7 Magico changed the crossover and maybe the drivers too to roll off at the bottom perfectly so it matched the characteristics of the QSub so it was a completely smooth transition. this new 'altered' Q7 would no longer work as a stand alone speaker because it lacked fullness in the lowest octave. this 'altered' Q7/QSub combo which was then designed to absolutely integrate is then compared to a Standard Q7 w/QSub. you would then be able to hear what 'integrated' means compared to 'adding a sub to a full range speaker'. there is a difference. and the harder you push the cobbled together pair the more you would hear where the match is not quite right.
YG has done the hard part of full integration with twin towers. it's just a fully passive approach. I hope to hear it sometime.
Mike
I understand and respect the sentiment but my experiences differ: Integrating mains and subs is not what you make of it. It is entirely possible to integrate full range speakers with different brands of subwoofer to invisibility ))or in to be precise to no audible discontinuity between mains and subs. It is not easy, it is not plug and play but it is doable and has been done by many here, some may not want or need to reply.
As matter of fact sometimes it is good to not roll the mains at all since the presence of more Low Frequency sources in the room tend to smooth out the bass response. Rolling off the mains confer the advantage of better power handling from the mains in some cases, it is not absolutely required for excellent, transparent integration. I would imagine that a speaker such as the Magico Q7 has little issues with power compression if I am to infer from some measurements I saw from the Q3 whose FR curve at 85 dB SPL was virtually identical to the FR at 95 dB. ...The Q7 would be even better in this regard. Speakers like Giya G-series have shown to be almost immune to power-compression... So when mating Mains of excellence with subs, "cobbled"is not a term I would use. It can be done as many here can testify and there are very inexpensive tools that help the adventurous or frugal audiophile: Mini-DSP comes to mind ...
This post is not a knock on 4-tower-types speakers-system. They are a good solution. I believe however it is somehow an absolutist statement that the only way to integrate is to go through the manufacturer-approved 4-tower solution.
It will be interesting when YG comes out with a dedicated sub one day that will out displace all the other audiophile companies drivers and have better SQ too. I think they have the technology.
Just as positioning of a subwoofer in the room has a significant impact upon its performance, the position in the z-axis (height) is a factor as well. Therefore, a subwoofer "tower", besides obscuring the apparent source of bass as being near the floor, may well greatly improve bass performance if its x&y axis placement is well chosen.
Lee
It will be interesting when YG comes out with a dedicated sub one day that will out displace all the other audiophile companies drivers and have better SQ too. I think they have the technology.
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