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I don't have a dog in this fight as I won't be buying the Magicos but I might come by and take Rob up on his offer just to see how an A/B would be accomplished!! :)

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Hi Beau,

As I stated in my post that you quoted I invited folks to come in and listen to the M3's with the MPods. I did NOT say I would a/b the M3's with and without Mpods. This has been great fun for debate in this post, but honestly it has nothing to do with demoing the M3's to my customers that will actually be buying the speakers. Pretty much everyone that I have talked to that is interested to hear the M3's for purchase purposes, just wants to hear them with the Mpods installed. No one that is actually going to purchase the M3's has asked me to A/b them with and without the MPods.

If in fact someone was in the process of purchasing the M3's and wanted to hear the speakers with and without the Mpods then I would gladly do that. I deal with 800 lbs speakers on a routine basis, 300lb speakers are really not that difficult if you are used to wrestling with them.

Actually I took out both my S5II's (250lbs) and my S7's (300lbs) from their crates, with their wheels, and removed the wheels and put their footers on solo....it's what I do:)

If someone to come in and ask me to do and A/B with Mpods/M3's it would not be entertained. Of course unless they were purchasing M3's, then not a problem.
 

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Rob,

Was hoping the smily conveyed the fact that I was entirely kidding about the A/B. What your answer does sort of imply is that the idea of tied pricing isn't really coming into play. Just as an FYI I just heard a system with the Q3s in it that surprised me in how much I liked it. If my preferences and pocketbook covered traditional box speakers I would definitely have them on my must audiiton list. The fact that you are manhandling speakers that unweildy speaks to utter dedication or a Jeff Corliss type in you. :)

Hi Beau,

As I stated in my post that you quoted I invited folks to come in and listen to the M3's with the MPods. I did NOT say I would a/b the M3's with and without Mpods. This has been great fun for debate in this post, but honestly it has nothing to do with demoing the M3's to my customers that will actually be buying the speakers. Pretty much everyone that I have talked to that is interested to hear the M3's for purchase purposes, just wants to hear them with the Mpods installed. No one that is actually going to purchase the M3's has asked me to A/b them with and without the MPods.
 

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Rob,

Was hoping the smily conveyed the fact that I was entirely kidding about the A/B. What your answer does sort of imply is that the idea of tied pricing isn't really coming into play. Just as an FYI I just heard a system with the Q3s in it that surprised me in how much I liked it. If my preferences and pocketbook covered traditional box speakers I would definitely have them on my must audiiton list. The fact that you are manhandling speakers that unweildy speaks to utter dedication or a Jeff Corliss type in you. :)

Beaur, Sorry I didn't catch that you were from Brooklyn.....come on over for a listen. Give me a call or email. I understood about the A/B, but I took it as an opportunity to "sound off":)....Seriously come on over for a listen.

Also I think the Q3's are incredible sounding speakers. Everyone likes different speakers of course, but for me in the Q line the Q3's are just right. Fairly easy to drive, enough bass for me, you can add subs if you "need it". Anyway I could live out my days with a pair of Q3's driven with electronics that are a "match to my liking" and not care about "other/newer" speakers. So many good speakers out there.

Give me a call and come for a visit! Bob
 

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Gentlemen, apparently in the latest edition of TAS, Jacob Heilbrunn (of the TAS Wilson alliance along with AHC) raves about stillpoints under his Alexandria XLFs.

It is most likely that "Sterile" Jon Valin will be writing the MPRO JR review for TAS, trying to convince folks how close (or even better) the MPRO JR is to his MPRO, so we can't really depend on him to comment on non-magico footers. Why else would Wolf built him an extra pair of a limited edition speaker and let him keep it for a few years? This doesn't happen to every guy out there, as Magico is not a charity.

But I sure hope that some passionate audiophile will do a comparison between these magico footers vs stillpoints.

Also, it just occurred to me that magico already practices price discrimination (as most other intelligent businesses in the world): you can get a magico speaker in a cheaper, rougher finish for a few grand less, or pay a bit more, and you get a smoother finish.
 

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Gentlemen, apparently in the latest edition of TAS, Jacob Heilbrunn (of the TAS Wilson alliance along with AHC) raves about stillpoints under his Alexandria XLFs.

It is most likely that "Sterile" Jon Valin will be writing the MPRO JR review for TAS, trying to convince folks how close (or even better) the MPRO JR is to his MPRO, so we can't really depend on him to comment on non-magico footers. Why else would Wolf built him an extra pair of a limited edition speaker and let him keep it for a few years? This doesn't happen to every guy out there, as Magico is not a charity.

But I sure hope that some passionate audiophile will do a comparison between these magico footers vs stillpoints.

Also, it just occurred to me that magico already practices price discrimination (as most other intelligent businesses in the world): you can get a magico speaker in a cheaper, rougher finish for a few grand less, or pay a bit more, and you get a smoother finish.

Caesar, Do you think that because Valin has a Walker turntable that "we can't really depend on him to comment on (non-Walker turntables)"? I'm trying to understand your reasoning here. Do you feel reviewers can't be trusted to review gear that competes with their in house reference gear?

I once compared the Magico footers under my Mini II speakers to Stillpoint Ultra 5s and much preferred the Magico footer. Are you referring to the QPods or to the new M3 speaker stand? If the latter, do you think that someone would buy the new M3 speakers and consider comparing Stillpoints to the M3 speaker stand under his new speakers? Or are you hoping that someone compares the QPods to the Stillpoints under different components? I don't think the new M3 speaker stand is designed to go under other components the way Stillpoints are.
 

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My guess is that Caesar may be referring to the fact that ANYTHING that gets reviewed by a TAS reviewer always turns out to be the best thing since sliced bread and whatever that component may be it somehow always ends up besting the last best component they reviewed in the previous months issue. :)

I cant fathom anyone taking anything written in that magazine seriously. But, in their defense it is funny to hear about how often veils are lifted so maybe there is an entertainment value to it instead.
 

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Caesar, Do you think that because Valin has a Walker turntable that "we can't really depend on him to comment on (non-Walker turntables)"? I'm trying to understand your reasoning here. Do you feel reviewers can't be trusted to review gear that competes with their in house reference gear?

I once compared the Magico footers under my Mini II speakers to Stillpoint Ultra 5s and much preferred the Magico footer. Are you referring to the QPods or to the new M3 speaker stand? If the latter, do you think that someone would buy the new M3 speakers and consider comparing Stillpoints to the M3 speaker stand under his new speakers? Or are you hoping that someone compares the QPods to the Stillpoints under different components? I don't think the new M3 speaker stand is designed to go under other components the way Stillpoints are.

Hey Peter,
When it comes to reviewers, this hobby is all about incentives and tastes. (Tastes applies to fans also.) In terms of incentives, why would wolf let valin keep a limited production speaker that no one else can buy, for 2 years! hate to say it , but wolf's reputation in the industry is one of a blank; he's not known to dealers and distributors as a nice, kind-hearted man. Obviously, he let valin have this our of production speaker because valin likes magico (carried their marketing department on his shoulders all these years to the point of destroying the TAS brand), and wolf expects a return on his investment. We talked about mis-aligned incentives a lot, in the berkeley ref thread and the stereophile / magico thread....

As far passionate fans go, one would love to hear a stillpoint footer attached to the magico mpro compared to this new magico footer...
 

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Gentlemen, apparently in the latest edition of TAS, Jacob Heilbrunn (of the TAS Wilson alliance along with AHC) raves about stillpoints under his Alexandria XLFs.

It is most likely that "Sterile" Jon Valin will be writing the MPRO JR review for TAS, trying to convince folks how close (or even better) the MPRO JR is to his MPRO, so we can't really depend on him to comment on non-magico footers. Why else would Wolf built him an extra pair of a limited edition speaker and let him keep it for a few years? This doesn't happen to every guy out there, as Magico is not a charity.

But I sure hope that some passionate audiophile will do a comparison between these magico footers vs stillpoints.

Also, it just occurred to me that magico already practices price discrimination (as most other intelligent businesses in the world): you can get a magico speaker in a cheaper, rougher finish for a few grand less, or pay a bit more, and you get a smoother finish.

Caesar,

Information, entertainment, some general audiophile knowledge and audio gossip. What else do you expect from audio magazines? ;)

If I had not listened to XLF's in good conditions I would not know how they sound!

And yes, passionate audiophiles will carry passionate comparisons between footers. Wise audiophiles will know that reports on such teaks are too much user preference, room and system dependent to be taken seriously.
 

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Caesar,

Information, entertainment, some general audiophile knowledge and audio gossip. What else do you expect from audio magazines? ;)

If I had not listened to XLF's in good conditions I would not know how they sound!

And yes, passionate audiophiles will carry passionate comparisons between footers. Wise audiophiles will know that reports on such teaks are too much user preference, room and system dependent to be taken seriously.

Microstrip, all great points. But at the same time, the only time we get anywhere in this hobby is when we share experiences. Some data points are better than no data points.

Right now, stillpoints owns the footer space the way shunyata owns the cable space. What if Magico has a much better design?
 

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My guess is that Caesar may be referring to the fact that ANYTHING that gets reviewed by a TAS reviewer always turns out to be the best thing since sliced bread and whatever that component may be it somehow always ends up besting the last best component they reviewed in the previous months issue. :)

I cant fathom anyone taking anything written in that magazine seriously. But, in their defense it is funny to hear about how often veils are lifted so maybe there is an entertainment value to it instead.

Ludwig Wittgenstein, one of the most influential philosophers of the last century and a language specialist had a special pet peeve for people over-using the word "lovely", saying "a lot of people who can't express themselves properly use the word very frequently..". Although Valin does compare somewhat, most TAS guys just call everything "BEST" because they can't really explain themselves...

Here are some thoughts I posted before pertaining to audio language and experiences:


Without context, a word like “dark” is really is nothing more or less than a word that anyone can use to indicate anything we please. The problem is that people seem pleased to use this one word to indicate a host of different things, which has created a tremendous terminological mess…

A lot of the mess stems from prior experiences – or a lack thereof. Hypothetically, if someone lacks the machinery for a sexual orgasm, then our experience of orgasm is one that this person will never know - no matter how much we talk about it.

Experiences of fine tequilas, string quartets in world class venues, caring deeds, ice cream, and high end audio are rich, complex, multidimensional, and impalpable. Because “Dark” is also an experience, it can only be approximately defined by its antecedents and by its relation to other experiences. That’s why I can’t stand reviewers like “worthless to the fan” Robert Harley who never compare, but just proclaim something as “best” because some new detail he heard tickled his analytical preference. Of course, it is best only in the “worthless one’s” imagination and contributes to fukc the audio fan culture that we live in…

Once we have an experience - hear a component that does something very new or very different – like speed and inner detail of a horn or magic of an electrostatic midrange driven by an OTL, we cannot simply set it aside and see the world as we would have seen it had the experience never happened.

Additionally, distorted views of reality are made possible by the fact that experiences are ambiguous -that is, they can be credibly viewed in many ways, some of which are more positive than others. Different moods, auditioning circumstances, people we like or don’t like, preconceived notions, etc., also affect experiences.

Furthermore, to complicate things even further, our remembrance of things past is imperfect, thus comparing our new understanding of “dark” with our memory of our old Dark is a risky way to determine whether two subjective experiences are really different.

Understanding other people may be one of the most complicated puzzles on earth. Many think they are experts at it – and are wrong! Others who come from a math and science background and have been conditioned that there is only one right answer poo poo this, selecting to see this hobby solely from the perspective of measurements.


Yet the ideas presented above are actually based on very rigorous science. Although not easy when applied wrong, such as by elite reviewers, it leads to misunderstandings and conflicts. (How many times have we been told by “transparency to source” / analytical guys that your system is old shti while something they got is best because they heard some new detail on the recording?)

But when applied properly, sharing experiences helps connect other human beings together in this hobby.
 

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Hey guys, I am posting this for those that are interested in the Mpods for either Q7's, Q7II, MPro or S7's. If you don't like the pricing, that's fine, it's your prerogative, this again is intended for those Magico users that are interested in the products for their existing Magico speakers.

After all the consternation of the initial price announcement for the Mpods, in this thread, with the Platform included in the price of the Mpods for the M3's, it ends up that Mpods by themselves are similarly priced (same ballpark) as a Stillpoint Ultra 6 with base when sold separately.



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rvisinta, Thank you for posting this information. Unfortunately, I don't have one of the Magico speakers listed. Do you know if these footers will work under my 190 lb Magico Mini IIs? I wonder if the separate speaker/stand of the Mini II will render them ineffective. I am currently using the hard metal cones that came with the speakers.
 

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rvisinta, Thank you for posting this information. Unfortunately, I don't have one of the Magico speakers listed. Do you know if these footers will work under my 190 lb Magico Mini IIs? I wonder if the separate speaker/stand of the Mini II will render them ineffective. I am currently using the hard metal cones that came with the speakers.

Hi Peter, honestly I do not know. If you purchased your speakers from Goodwins (just assuming) they will be able to find out from Magico on whether the Mpods would work on your MiniIIs. If you did not buy from Goodwins and need to find out, let me know and I will check with Magico for you.
 

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Hi Peter, honestly I do not know. If you purchased your speakers from Goodwins (just assuming) they will be able to find out from Magico on whether the Mpods would work on your MiniIIs. If you did not buy from Goodwins and need to find out, let me know and I will check with Magico for you.

Thanks. I did not buy this pair from Goodwins, but they are my local dealer and very helpful, so I will try contacting them or Peter Mackay at Magico directly.
 

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Thanks. I did not buy this pair from Goodwins, but they are my local dealer and very helpful, so I will try contacting them or Peter Mackay at Magico directly.

Yeah, just ask Peter, he will know or find out.
 

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rvisinta, Thank you for posting this information. Unfortunately, I don't have one of the Magico speakers listed. Do you know if these footers will work under my 190 lb Magico Mini IIs? I wonder if the separate speaker/stand of the Mini II will render them ineffective. I am currently using the hard metal cones that came with the speakers.

Does your Mini stand have the steel sphere couplers between the stand and the speaker? They will probably block most of the effect of the Mpods.
 

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Does your Mini stand have the steel sphere couplers between the stand and the speaker? They will probably block most of the effect of the Mpods.

Yes, there are three steel spheres (balls) in cups per speaker/stand. This is one of the reasons people gave for the Stillpoint Ultra 5s not working in this application when I placed them under my stands. I tend to think that the Stillpoints shift horizontally, which can't be good for speakers. The MPods work differently, from what I can tell. I'm just curious about the MPods under my speakers. One concern, however, is that they cost almost as much as the current used price for this now discontinued speaker. I'm sure I'd be better served just buying a Q3 or Q1. I love the Mini though.
 

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