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    Quote Originally Posted by Folsom View Post
    ack how would you feel if they were wearing gloves to hold your ID? I'm not talking about touching methheads and crackpipes.
    I really don't care; what if the gloves were white cloth - how would you feel then
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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthStar View Post
    I don't know the recipes, I don't know how to end this craziness and fear in America. It starts @ people first, only them decide for peace or for violence.
    This is a wonderful country but it has this super dark side. The other day the talk show radio host was saying there was a "mass shooting" yesterday in Chicago but no one reported it. Then it went on to say that nearly 11 people got shot the previous day and two of them died. Since start of the year, 23 people have died from shootings in Chicago, and 167 wounded out of 190 shots: http://heyjackass.com/

    And this is just one city! There are some great souls like you Bob, who even though you don't live here, feel our pain in the eloquent manner in which you post. Like you, I have no idea what the answer is. That is not my speciality or training. I just can't fathom how we are capable of such greatness in this country, and such pain and brutality. Reminds of a similar line in one of my favorite movies, Contact:




    Thanks again for caring Bob.

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    Amir, that's a city that has banned a lot of firearms, too. But you're opening a serious can of worms because due diligence for correctly reading statistics must be employed when looking at anything that involves firearms since the majority of it is downright dishonest. (example high "gun violence" in Wyoming with more guns than people, is something like 99% suicides)

    I suggest we stay on topic about police, and our thoughts on the use of force / how to not need it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ack View Post
    Bingo, David; I will note "yourself included" and "Seeing what people in power get away with doesn't instill trust either".

    Here's something else to consider; first the good data: some police departments - like where I live (Brookline) - are exemplary for being friendly, and I have been let go when pulled over late at night after proving that I was rushing to the pharmacy. Everyone I know of speaks extremely highly about their interactions with the Brookline police. Now the bad data: even in places like Brookline there is trouble, and two black police officers have recently filed racial discrimination lawsuits against their own department. There is real struggle just about everywhere I look, including the sleepy towns with no real crime. You brought up the Gates incident and the Cambridge police; I hate to inform you, but I have no respect for the Cambridge police and the way they conduct themselves, and I am sure we don't need any more links. Obama was too quick to comment on the Gates/CPD interaction, but I bet he was fed some information about that department beforehand, though eventually decided to say no more. So when Gates said what he said, I bet he knew a lot about the Cambridge police as well.

    Finally, Folsom brought up "gloves" - I don't see the issue there. The dangers police deal with include unpleasant and perhaps dangerous physical contact...
    I have to say that all my negative interaction over the years have been with the same police depts., Nassau & Suffolk County police, ironically two highest paid in the nation with the best benefits. This is were parents live for years, a predominantly white and Asian affluent town with little or no crime, Nassau county cops are abusive, underhanded and downright giant adversarial PRICKS with everyone across the board and really leave a bad stench behind with every encounter. The traffic court is just as bad, the DA is there making deals for higher payment against changing the traffic violation from one with points consequences to one that has no points penalty. Most of it is bullshit and they prey on the elderly and the young there. Hanging around cop bars and listening to them recount stories of how they tripped up elderly drivers into making mistakes tells you what their mindset is. They're basically hired mercenaries of the town mayor who rents for this type of thing from Nassau County. The local police used to be friendly but overtime learnt from Nassau County cops that it pays to be a dick! I have to admit not having the same type of interaction anywhere else I lived including Manhattan. Local police around were we live now in Utah are pretty respectful and pleasant, they are and behave as part of the community rather than the gotcha gang! But all this is an aside to the war on police and one sided reporting and demonizing of the police in violent encounters where blacks are involved, this is were I'm squarely on their side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Folsom View Post
    Amir, that's a city that has banned a lot of firearms, too. But you're opening a serious can of worms because due diligence for correctly reading statistics must be employed when looking at anything that involves firearms since the majority of it is downright dishonest. (example high "gun violence" in Wyoming with more guns than people, is something like 99% suicides)
    As I said, I am a newbie. Here is another link: http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/may...-other-crimes/

    What's dishonest in that report?

    "In May of last year, there were 264 shootings. This May, there were 318 shootings — a 20-percent jump.

    [...]

    The homicide count kept by the police department does not include fatal shootings by police, or killings that are ruled to be in self-defense. The majority of the city’s violence is driven by less than 1 percent of its population, mostly gang members with illegal guns, the police department has said."


    I suggest we stay on topic about police, and our thoughts on the use of force / how to not need it.
    Such topics have tore apart entire communities, let alone a forum where you can't even see your counterpart face to face. Not sure how you think this is not a can of worms that it has been. It drags in just about every controversial topic.

    My hope with my post was to focus on the humanity and pain of it that hopefully we all share. Or should.

    Anyway, I am out of here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amirm View Post
    . . . Reminds of a similar line in one of my favorite movies, Contact . . .
    On a lighter note (and a completely irrelevant note, so please forgive me) Contact is officially my favorite movie of all time! Thank you, Amir, for reminding me of it.
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    Amir, those statistics might be ok. I don't know because there's no links to official census information. What I'm advising is the talking about it goes down a twisted road because inevitably it's not just Chicago that's discussed.

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    I like this video because it does away with the current narrative against police, stereotypes and shows how vulnerable a lone officer is on the ground even when has a slight temporary advantage.



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