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Tango · Mar 1, 2018

dminches said:
Tang, that is impressive. What were you playing that on? It looks like that recording is only available on CD.

It was a vinyl rca victor red seal 33...a lot of clicks and pops. I am buying 45 wanting to see how better they are. I played on AF1P/SAT/MSL Platinum. In real room you will be surprise how good they can be comparing to tape with Doshi. I see you and I have the same.

Kind regards,
Tang

Tango · Mar 26, 2018

After a successful trial on Kronos, This morning I tried the Dalby Constellation Titanium Stabilizer on the AF1P. Switching between Techdas original weight and Dalby. The easiest equipment to test hehe. Take only a few songs to know the Dalby is superior. The weight of instrument and dynamic is obviously more with Dalby. Put on the Techdas regular weight, and I asked myself where did that guitar attack went. The rhythm and flow of music is also better. But this Dalby has to be careful when using with SAT or some other arm with wide headshell. At the end of record, the headshell will hit the Dalby first.

Kind regards,
Tang

bonzo75 · Mar 26, 2018

Tango said:
It was a vinyl rca victor red seal 33...a lot of clicks and pops. I am buying 45 wanting to see how better they are. I played on AF1P/SAT/MSL Platinum. In real room you will be surprise how good they can be comparing to tape with Doshi. I see you and I have the same.

Kind regards,
Tang

Is this the Scheherazade you are referring to? You have the original RCA victor? In this particular case the Analog Productions reissue in the 33s is supposed to be better, and the classic 45 rpm that Mike has is even better. Madfloyd has both 33s and 45s of both Analog productions and Classic records for this piece.

Tango · Mar 26, 2018

bonzo75 said:
Is this the Scheherazade you are referring to? You have the original RCA victor? In this particular case the Analog Productions reissue in the 33s is supposed to be better, and the classic 45 rpm that Mike has is even better. Madfloyd has both 33s and 45s of both Analog productions and Classic records for this piece.

Yes, Scheherazade. I don’t have the original. I have easy to find Analog Productions both in 33 and 45...and tape.

Best,
Tang

Tango · Mar 26, 2018

The Techdas has a very very quiet background with the MSL.

Tang

PeterA · Mar 26, 2018

Tango, how does your new Axiom arm compare to the SAT?

MatthewC · Mar 26, 2018

Tango said:
After a successful trial on Kronos, This morning I tried the Dalby Constellation Titanium Stabilizer on the AF1P. Switching between Techdas original weight and Dalby. The easiest equipment to test hehe. Take only a few songs to know the Dalby is superior. The weight of instrument and dynamic is obviously more with Dalby. Put on the Techdas regular weight, and I asked myself where did that guitar attack went. The rhythm and flow of music is also better. But this Dalby has to be careful when using with SAT or some other arm with wide headshell. At the end of record, the headshell will hit the Dalby first.

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Kind regards,
Tang

Fascinating. Tango have you tried the tungsten weight from techdas? It is also significantly better than the regular version so I am quite interested to hear your opinion....

Thanks!

Tango · Mar 26, 2018

PeterA said:
Tango, how does your new Axiom arm compare to the SAT?

Hi Peter,

Just took my boy to bed.
The sonic difference is small. The price difference is big. At first hearing you can probably get the same WOW from the detail retrieval ability of either arm. My Axiom came after SAT and I am used to with SAT sound so frankly I wasn’t WOWing at first heard of Axiom. The quality of arm/cart setup has a lot more difference than the delta of two arms. Only when you do analytical listening, have them next to each other in equally good cart setting, you hear that last 2-3% difference. I know both designers of the two arms and they probably wouldn’t agree with what I say here. Imo SAT digs out info a bit more and with sharper leading edge than the Axiom. The Axiom is a bit smoother and a tad warmer in comparison. However, I can switch phono between Ayon and EMT and the smoothness and warmth I said can be added to SAT. (I am talking smoothness not refinement. SAT is very detail and very very refine.) With Axiom I don’t have any problem with RFI but with SAT I have to place its cable at the right place. What SAT can improve is the cable shielding. This is from top of my head. I am very happy with both SAT and Axiom. You will see more Axioms in my system. I pay less with Axiom but I get special services and customizations from Dietrich. He came to do his things for me three times already and will be coming again next month. Actually he has a new TOL all titanium Axiom coming out but I am already happy with the current Axiom. He also will ship his phono stage for me to try. I told him I have enough phono..too late amigo.

Kind regards,
Tang

Tango · Mar 26, 2018

MatthewC said:
Fascinating. Tango have you tried the tungsten weight from techdas? It is also significantly better than the regular version so I am quite interested to hear your opinion....

Thanks!

Hello Matthew,

No, I haven’t tried. Boonyarat has been lureing me with this Tungsten. Normally he would kindly send me things to try in my system if I ask. But I now have the Dalby working very well, I doubt he would risk sending the tungsten to me to try...fearing my big mouth

.

By the way, Bonzo is selling his Dalby weight at an attractive price. I know one AF1 user in Thailand confirms that this Dalby( the same model Bonzo has) works beautifully in his system..better than the Techdas regular weight. My Dalby is a newer one.

Best,
Tang

boonyarat · Mar 26, 2018

Compare between the 1st version standard designed Disc stabilizer from TechDAS with current flagship Ultimate TUNGSTEN. It's very easily to hear different as so much sound improved and much better when use the Ultimate Tungsten disc stabilizer on my AF1 PREMIUM . I believed no one know better than Nishikawa-san on how to made his turntable go further better ,just like this Ultimate TUNGSTEN . Thanks for his research ,designing,testing and producing this special item that worth for all TechDAS owners to try , you can't go wrong with this

Steve Williams · Mar 26, 2018

boonyarat said:
Compare between the 1st version standard designed Disc stabilizer from TechDAS with current flagship Ultimate TUNGSTEN. It's very easily to hear different as so much sound improved and much better when use the Ultimate Tungsten disc stabilizer on my AF1 PREMIUM . I believed no one know better than Nishikawa-san on how to made his turntable go further better ,just like this Ultimate TUNGSTEN . Thanks for his research ,designing,testing and producing this special item that worth for all TechDAS owners to try , you can't go wrong with this

although I haven't heard the tungsten version the reports here on WBF from TechDas users state that the tungsten version is in a league of its own. JackD201 has stated that he cannot live without the tungsten version in his system

Tango · Mar 26, 2018

I will help you a bit Khun Boon.

As the price of Dalby and the Tungsten are in the same level, better take the advise from Boonyarat. It makes a lot more sense. You have to be crazy and a bit stupid like me to pick Dalby for AF1.

Tang

Steve Williams · Mar 26, 2018

Tango said:
I will help you a bit Khun Boon.

As the price of Dalby and the Tungsten are in the same level, better take the advise from Boonyarat. It makes a lot more sense. You have to be crazy and a bit stupid like me to pick Dalby for AF1.

Tang

doesn't it concern you that at the end of the record the head shell touches the Dalby

Tango · Mar 26, 2018

Steve Williams said:
doesn't it concern you that at the end of the record the head shell touches the Dalby

Not really Steve. I adapt.

Tang

Sammy T · Mar 26, 2018

cost of the new Dalby record weight?

boonyarat · Mar 26, 2018

Tango said:
I will help you a bit Khun Boon.

As the price of Dalby and the Tungsten are in the same level, better take the advise from Boonyarat. It makes a lot more sense. You have to be crazy and a bit stupid like me to pick Dalby for AF1.

Tang

Thanks a lot Khun Tang for your kind wording . I know you are so smart and all TechDAS owners are in the level of cost no object , then they can try and see which one of Disc Stabilizer will meet their requirement. I believed they will have more than one piece for sure in the final , just like you

DaveyF · Mar 26, 2018

Tango, if you like the plain "No dog" RCA pressing of the Scheherazade, you really should seek out an original "Shaded Dog" pressing, preferably in a 1s 1s pressing; or better still, in a 10s 10s pressing ( albeit very hard to source and $$$). The 10s 10s pressing will give you a bigger lift in SQ than any other mod you could do to your system using the plain old "No dog".

bonzo75 · Mar 26, 2018

Are you staying this as the general case for most shaded dogs, or for scheherazade specifically as that original wasn't known to be good. Haven't heard myself but as per collectors

DaveyF · Mar 26, 2018

I can think of no "shaded dogs" that are worse than their "no dog" reissue...none. The "no dogs" are at best a place keeper till you can source at least a "white dog" and better still...the original "shaded dog". With Scheherazade the difference in SQ is striking. As i posted above, and this applies to most "shaded dogs", the earlier the pressing the better, although in the particular instance of the Scheherazade, the 10s 10s is the best sounding...and by a fairly wide margin, which is why it is so highly prized by collectors. Remember that a lot of "collectors" don't know the difference between the various pressings and the various pressing houses, so if one stated that they think the original Scheherazade doesn't sound that good...compared to what? ( The 'no dog', lol), then I would say they really are mistaken and not sufficiently knowledgable to make the statement, all IMHO.

Tango · Mar 26, 2018

DaveyF said:
Tango, if you like the plain "No dog" RCA pressing of the Scheherazade, you really should seek out an original "Shaded Dog" pressing, preferably in a 1s 1s pressing; or better still, in a 10s 10s pressing ( albeit very hard to source and $$$). The 10s 10s pressing will give you a bigger lift in SQ than any other mod you could do to your system using the plain old "No dog".

Is this the dog you are talking about?

Tang

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