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    Then if you add X1 to P1 become special,i cannot imagine using mono with 2 X1

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    Quote Originally Posted by JackD201 View Post
    I too have had many tube amps SE. SEP and PP.

    CH reminds me of a funny way of the ZYX Airy 3S. The name of the Airy suggested something quite different. It was SOLID not airy. LOL. The CH Precision name makes one assume the sound is all about strict marching discipline when in fact they are very spacious and clear. Very sweet actually. I compare the highs to that of 2a3s, I believe those were the tubes Gian used as well. The ability to tailor. both local feedback from zero on and the ability to adjust gain accordingly was also very useful to me in finding the balance I prefer. I get to "tube roll" with SS in a way. As always set up is key. We all know how easy it is to muck up any system regardless of pedigree. The number of options adds variables that make things a little more difficult but offer rewards that are IMO worth the effort.
    Dear Sir,

    I understand you are quite familiar with both CH P1 and JPA 66, could you characterize the sound of the two. Putting the tailoring features of both units aside, what are the sonic strengths of each.

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    Hi Tang,

    I don't have my P1 yet. I've only heard it once under show conditions so I can't really compare. I will say that the JPA 66 is an excellent preamp (yes it's actually a full function pre not just a phono). I've used it both direct to amps and through (custom) fixed outputs to my pre. I prefer the fixed outputs. The P1 was likewise excellent in an all CH system driving Marten speakers. Analog front end was an Air Force One Premium, SAT arm and TD Ti cartridge. The sound never broke up even on peaks that were reading over 2 kilowatts on the M1's meters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JackD201 View Post
    Hi Tang,

    I don't have my P1 yet. I've only heard it once under show conditions so I can't really compare. I will say that the JPA 66 is an excellent preamp (yes it's actually a full function pre not just a phono). I've used it both direct to amps and through (custom) fixed outputs to my pre. I prefer the fixed outputs. The P1 was likewise excellent in an all CH system driving Marten speakers. Analog front end was an Air Force One Premium, SAT arm and TD Ti cartridge. The sound never broke up even on peaks that were reading over 2 kilowatts on the M1's meters.
    Thank you Jack.

    I am a bit surprise reading how solid stage P1 can sound almost like tube. And from your comment comparing to JPA 66, you did not mention any typical distinction of tube/ solid stage. I trust you guys ears. Very interesting phono indeed. I did a/b Soulution top phono 755 with Ayon tube phono in my system. The difference was quite obvious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tango View Post
    Thank you Jack.

    I am a bit surprise reading how solid stage P1 can sound almost like tube. And from your comment comparing to JPA 66, you did not mention any typical distinction of tube/ solid stage. I trust you guys ears. Very interesting phono indeed. I did a/b Soulution top phono 755 with Ayon tube phono in my system. The difference was quite obvious.

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    And you found which one preferrable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tango View Post
    Thank you Jack.

    I am a bit surprise reading how solid stage P1 can sound almost like tube. And from your comment comparing to JPA 66, you did not mention any typical distinction of tube/ solid stage. I trust you guys ears. Very interesting phono indeed. I did a/b Soulution top phono 755 with Ayon tube phono in my system. The difference was quite obvious.

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    What I love about tubes most is the seemingly limitless resolution when done right. Certain DHTs do this extremely well and in the case of the JPA 66 its bank of 12ax7s (I'm loaded with 3 matched pairs of Tele 803s) certainly does that too. I'm not so much into the bloom or warmth because my room and my speakers (and choice of carts) already allow for big tone should I call for it. What I don't like about SS not done well enough is opacity in the upper midrange, lower treble due to a constriction of resolution, a fuzziness so to speak. It doesn't help that this is the frequency band that we are by nature most sensitive at and where much of formants reside. Done poorly, its not just fuzziness, its a pervasive layer of grit and grain. Music becomes a bit more boring and gray at best, irritating to some degree at worst. Not a situation I like having when I'm exploring new music I have yet to form some emotional connection to via memories. For me lesser tube design's faults I can more easily listen past, maybe some hum, lack of control or rounding off of transients. The JPA is very quiet and linear my only quibble being the variable output that needs some maintenance now and then as is the case with many a potentiometer. It is not a "tubey" sounding unit in the classic sense in that it is not euphonic or ripe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by morricab View Post
    And you found which one preferrable?
    Definitely, prefer the Ayon Spheris in my system sir. More alive, vivid, rythmic, energetic than 755. I dont think 755 married very well with my Conquistador pre. I heard 755 in all out Soulution system and it sounded excellent in Soulution way.

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    For my experience I think in top system the best result is with the same brand preamp and power amp

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