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    The other factor that no one has mentioned yet is the difference in arm lengths and I know that must be a very big factor
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    Quote Originally Posted by XV-1 View Post
    Hi Steve.

    an easy swap is the tonearm cables. swap them over and let us know what you hear.

    cheers
    Do both tonearm cables have the same termination into the arm? I thought the SME is a DIN connection and the Graham has RCA? I could be wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Williams View Post
    The other factor that no one has mentioned yet is the difference in arm lengths and I know that must be a very big factor
    Steve, I seem to remember that the two armboards are also slightly different. The main mount on the right is integral to the main body of the turntable and the armboard in the back is a cantilever. They may even be different materials and take different length arms. This too would contribute to differences in sound. There are so many variables. I found this photo:

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterA View Post
    Do both tonearm cables have the same termination into the arm? I thought the SME is a DIN connection and the Graham has RCA? I could be wrong.
    actually it's the other way around
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    As I posted before, there are numerous variables in the set up and running of an analog front end. There is a camp that strongly believes that a DIN connection at the tonearm is the only way to go, conversely there are people who believe that no connections should be between the cartridge pins and the connection to the phono preamp. Just as there is a strong movement for extreme rigidity in the tonearm and of the cartridge mounting connection to the headshell ( or lack thereof). IME, all of these points have value and are to be considered...assuming that one has the basics correct first. ( correct setting of the VTF and VTA and SRA and lastly...azimuth). I think the difference in arm length is also a factor...as Steve points out. Interestingly, MF has gone away from the 'longer is better' camp ( no jokes here) and now states that the extra length of a tonearm is not beneficial due to the decrease in rigidity and potential fulcrum problems..vs. the benefit of 'slightly' better geometry. Many thoughts here, but I personally believe that one's ears have to be the final arbiter...and if an a'phile is happy with his set up, then that is all that is truly required. Steve, if you are happy with your Graham/ Anna combo, then all else is moot, IMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterA View Post
    Do both tonearm cables have the same termination into the arm? I thought the SME is a DIN connection and the Graham has RCA? I could be wrong.
    I knew the Graham was SME mount by looking at the photos in Mono&Stereo so is DIN. I just assumed the SME was DIN like all their production arms, however as Steve has confirmed it is indeed RCA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveyF View Post
    As I posted before, there are numerous variables in the set up and running of an analog front end. There is a camp that strongly believes that a DIN connection at the tonearm is the only way to go, conversely there are people who believe that no connections should be between the cartridge pins and the connection to the phono preamp. Just as there is a strong movement for extreme rigidity in the tonearm and of the cartridge mounting connection to the headshell ( or lack thereof). IME, all of these points have value and are to be considered...assuming that one has the basics correct first. ( correct setting of the VTF and VTA and SRA and lastly...azimuth). I think the difference in arm length is also a factor...as Steve points out. Interestingly, MF has gone away from the 'longer is better' camp ( no jokes here) and now states that the extra length of a tonearm is not beneficial due to the decrease in rigidity and potential fulcrum problems..vs. the benefit of 'slightly' better geometry. Many thoughts here, but I personally believe that one's ears have to be the final arbiter...and if an a'phile is happy with his set up, then that is all that is truly required. Steve, if you are happy with your Graham/ Anna combo, then all else is moot, IMHO.
    All else is moot Davey. I'm really happy with the two setups. Merely different flavors. I happen to enjoy both. Perhaps when David visits again we can do that experiment as I am most interested.
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