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Start date Jan 24, 2016

spazmatron

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Jan 25, 2016

#41

bonzo75 said:
I can confirm that, we ABed at Jazzhead's place, he also has smaller wings, 1 each on the floor in front of the speaker raised up at a slight angle towards the speaker - very effective.

At Flyer's place, I ABed 4 wings behind the listener, and at Elberoth's I ABed 2 at first reflection points. They always worked creating spaciousness, focus, and soundstage

Anyone mounted on the ceiling?

Will start with three, yes diffusion can be used on the floor, just as can be used on the ceiling. Lot easier to put on floor though I guess.

Before I get accosted by the retentive masses, I know these most likely scatter rather than diffuse strictly speaking. All I want is better focus and sense of space. Already use wooden devices that scatter behind my rack.

bonzo75

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Jan 25, 2016

#42

spazmatron said:
Anyone mounted on the ceiling?

Will start with three, yes diffusion can be used on the floor, just as can be used on the ceiling. Lot easier to put on floor though I guess.

Jazzhead and Flyer.

Yes, start with three - try three at the back, of those you can try 2 at the sides and then all three behind, each time checking the difference.

spazmatron

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Jan 25, 2016

#43

bonzo75 said:
Jazzhead and Flyer.

Yes, start with three - try three at the back, of those you can try 2 at the sides and then all three behind, each time checking the difference.

Thanks bozo, don't fear I wil try them all round the room at all possible angles till I go completely insane. Marketing thier positions with tape as I go, I am every inch the audio nutjob.

caliaripaolo

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Jan 25, 2016

#44

bonzo75 said:
Jazzhead and Flyer.

Yes, start with three - try three at the back, of those you can try 2 at the sides and then all three behind, each time checking the difference.

I have found most benefit from the two on the sides. The more you get closer, the greater the density of the sound. At least, in my environment.

spazmatron

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Jan 25, 2016

#45

I fancy trying them on the sides of my rack that sits in the middle of my listening area between my speakers.

Who knows.

Rodney Gold

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Jan 25, 2016

#46

looks like angular bent concentric tubes with an opening slot , perhaps the passages between the tubes might do something as well?
Would be ultracool to edge light them with some leds.. especially if you laser etch some extra detail..

caliaripaolo

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Jan 25, 2016

#47

spazmatron said:
I fancy trying them on the sides of my rack that sits in the middle of my listening area between my speakers.

Who knows.

sorry, when I wrote to the side positions, I meant at first reflection point.
Same for the rear, the better is in line with the inner surface of speakers.

spazmatron

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Jan 25, 2016

#48

caliaripaolo said:
sorry, when I wrote to the side positions, I meant at first reflection point.
Same for the rear, the better is in line with the inner surface of speakers.

I know

caliaripaolo

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Jan 25, 2016

#49

Rodney Gold said:
perhaps the passages between the tubes might do something as well?

time delay of reflecting wayves (6 ms. if I remember)

caliaripaolo

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Jan 25, 2016

#50

amirm said:
MBL was using these diffusers at CES this year.

Marten design at Munich last year

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Folsom

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Jan 25, 2016

#51

Their website is useless for English speakers... can't find those anywhere! Very cool.

Argonaut

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Jan 25, 2016

#52

bonzo75 said:
The Animas have a great timbre on individual instruments. They don't have the bass of the trios with bass horns. Trios better on separation, scale, wall to wall floor to ceiling stage. Animas better on timbre. A lot of Anima sound comes from those horns, which I don't mind, but some do. Animas sound different in each room and with different amps.

It would be most interesting were one to Mook the Trios up to the MaX, I suspect that would certainly close the gap somewhat with regard to timbre of presentation. Have you any preference between the Animas and the closest in price Cessaro ?

Geardaddy

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Jan 25, 2016

#53

bonzo75 said:
This is the Yamamura - Monaco 1.0 - Graham II - Zyx Diamond G - FMA 122 system

View attachment 25292

I have seen pics of these before. Alice in Wonderland horns. My wife would have a seizure if these were to ever appear in our living room....

bonzo75

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Jan 25, 2016

#54

Harlequin said:
It would be most interesting were one to Mook the Trios up to the MaX, I suspect that would certainly close the gap somewhat with regard to timbre of presentation. Have you any preference between the Animas and the closest in price Cessaro ?

Each of these horns have very different presentations one needs to listen to. Choice of music will also dictate tastes. Vocals are very nice on the TAD driver. A Wilson and a Focal, different stats, even stats and ribbon planars, have much more similarity with each other than Trios, Anima, and Cessaro do. Acapella more similar to Cessaro in presentation, though very different drivers

The trios need to have some resonance reduction with sandbags and isolation of the frame. Then a Lampi or a nice TT with Mooks.

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bonzo75

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Jan 25, 2016

#55

Geardaddy said:
I have seen pics of these before. Alice in Wonderland horns. My wife would have a seizure if these were to ever appear in our living room....

Well, that would leave you undisturbed for the course of your listening session

dallasjustice

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Jan 25, 2016

#56

Blizzard said:
There's an audio mag cover worthy listening room. All that's missing is an ashtray full of cigarette butts and a old banana peel

It looks like Jesse Pinkman's listening room.

pinkman's stereo.jpg

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f1eng

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Jan 25, 2016

#57

dallasjustice said:
It looks like Jesse Pinkman's listening room.

View attachment 25335

If you are referring to Bonzo's pictures of my listening room I take offence

If there is anything strewn on the floor it is the odd LP sleeve or CD case and whilst untidy at least I don't have any big flat surfaces reflecting sound.
Fast food detritus is unlikely since I detest fast food.

I learned at least 20 years ago that the most important part of a hifi is the room, and where the speakers are in it. I gave up audiophilia at about the same time, hardly ever change kit but listen several hours per day since I retired.

I am not a very "visual" person so clutter doesn't bother me at all, but IME a cluttered room always sounds better than a plain one.

It may well be that not having the Epilogs where they are would help the Animas, but the Epilogs are probably still the best speakers I have heard so I'm keeping them and they sound best where they are.

I don't come here often but did today since I wanted to see if Bonzo posted anything about Italy.

BTW I am also a fan of the Goldmund Apologues, which the Epilogs superseded and the Analogs too.

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f1eng

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Jan 25, 2016

#58

bonzo75 said:
The Animas have a great timbre on individual instruments. They don't have the bass of the trios with bass horns. Trios better on separation, scale, wall to wall floor to ceiling stage. Animas better on timbre. A lot of Anima sound comes from those horns, which I don't mind, but some do. Animas sound different in each room and with different amps. The Aries Cerat was more balanced in the top and mids, but less on bass than the Devialet. They also change when pointed inwards vs straight (think I prefer straight, it expands the soundstage).

Everybody please take into account that I have changed mid and treble level of my Animas between Bonzo's first and second visit. The FR is flatter but the bass level relatively lower than it was.
Horns are directional, good for reduced reflection but pointing them straight down the room gives a treble roll off which some may like but I do not.

bonzo75

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Jan 25, 2016

#59

f1eng said:
Please take into account that I have changed mid and treble level of my Animas between Bonzo's first and second visit. The FR is flatter but the bass level relatively lower than it was.
Horns are directional, good for reduced reflection but pointing them straight down the room gives a treble roll off which some may like but I do not.

Hi Frank, Jack and Manolis point them straight, but at this dealer in Paris http://www.whatsbestforum.com/showt...integrated-amp&p=309925&viewfull=1#post309925 , I got to listen to them pointed inwards as well as straight. He prefers inwards, I preferred straight. It wasn't for the roll off, it was for the soundstage, things got deeper and a bit more in-between. I don't think your room will allow that though, as the sound would hit the speakers in front first.

Purite Audio

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Jan 25, 2016

#60

f1eng said:
Everybody please take into account that I have changed mid and treble level of my Animas between Bonzo's first and second visit. The FR is flatter but the bass level relatively lower than it was.
Horns are directional, good for reduced reflection but pointing them straight down the room gives a treble roll off which some may like but I do not.

Frank Hi , I didnt realise you had the phantoms as well,comparing tethered systems must be interesting ?
I have two pairs ,sometimes three in one of my room sit isn't ideal.
Keith.

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