The official audio myth busting thread

NorthStar · Jan 21, 2016

Mike, I don't know exactly why a deletion; I suspect an opinion was shared on a high end company's name or some' like that.
Perhaps you can rephrase with meticulous care as to not upset the winds of human nature... :b

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<<Off topic>> We have the power to move ahead and be creative/inventive with regained interest on the things we love (audio revitalization).
Any bifurcation from that avenue is our choice, any criticizing, any opinion/impression of the content of texts and dictées, is valid.
When the personal equation enters the science of advancement in analytical discussions...it is of my belief that we retrogress. ...That's all.

Blizzard · Jan 21, 2016

NorthStar said:
Mike, I don't know exactly why a deletion; I suspect an opinion was shared on a high end company's name or some' like that.
Perhaps you can rephrase with meticulous care as to not upset the winds of human nature... :b

Sorry, it was my mistake and I edited. I was on the wrong thread and didn't realize it. I thought my posts were deleted

garylkoh · Jan 21, 2016

Good luck. May be you'll have better success than I have had.

We have a pretty open-minded group in the Pacific Northwest Audio Society. Members are willing to listen, and then discuss. However, myth busting may be fun, but it is an exhausting undertaking, and changes no minds. Here's a link to one that I organized. Took two and a half months of tremendous effort - myth was busted but no minds were changed.

http://www.whatsbestforum.com/showthread.php?2632-The-Digital-Analog-Dialectic

We even did a comparison between "Live" vs "Recorded" sound.

[video]https://youtu.be/BLZObZ53YmY[/video]

NorthStar · Jan 21, 2016

Blizzard said:
Sorry, it was my mistake and I edited. I was on the wrong thread and didn't realize it. I thought my posts were deleted

Lol

An audio myth? --> Insecurity on our perceived music listening sessions. ...And the pursuit of audio excellence. ...The system: us, or the gear?
...Or the music we listen to with our state of mind in the moment.

Johnny Vinyl · Jan 21, 2016

NorthStar said:
Lol

An audio myth? --> Insecurity on our perceived music listening sessions. ...And the pursuit of audio excellence. ...The system: us, or the gear?
...Or the music we listen to with our state of mind in the moment.

I need more coffee.....

Blizzard · Jan 21, 2016

garylkoh said:
Good luck. May be you'll have better success than I have had.

We have a pretty open-minded group in the Pacific Northwest Audio Society. Members are willing to listen, and then discuss. However, myth busting may be fun, but it is an exhausting undertaking, and changes no minds. Here's a link to one that I organized. Took two and a half months of tremendous effort - myth was busted but no minds were changed.

http://www.whatsbestforum.com/showthread.php?2632-The-Digital-Analog-Dialectic

We even did a comparison between "Live" vs "Recorded" sound.

[video]https://youtu.be/BLZObZ53YmY[/video]

Cool experiment Gary. Yes I know what your saying. Like religion, when the faith is that strong, there's no changing minds. But it would be good fun anyways, and make for good conversation and video's to watch

When it's on tape, nobody can deny it. What I'm thinking is something like have a vinyl rig and a digital rig behind a curtain and compare the vinyl vs a DSD 256 vinyl rip, and have the biggest vinyl fanatics pick out which is which. And have them on tape when they make the choice. It would be golden to have it on tape if they picked the digital copy

Or same with R2R vs quad DSD copy of R2R.

Blizzard · Jan 21, 2016

NorthStar said:
Lol

An audio myth? --> Insecurity on our perceived music listening sessions. ...And the pursuit of audio excellence. ...The system: us, or the gear?
...Or the music we listen to with our state of mind in the moment.

Just reading fast on my phone and not realize which thread I was on. I'm like WTF, what happened to all my posts. They weren't even bad.

Gregadd · Jan 22, 2016

Blizzard said:
Cool experiment Gary. Yes I know what your saying. Like religion, when the faith is that strong, there's no changing minds. But it would be good fun anyways, and make for good conversation and video's to watch When it's on tape, nobody can deny it. What I'm thinking is something like have a vinyl rig and a digital rig behind a curtain and compare the vinyl vs a DSD 256 vinyl rip, and have the biggest vinyl fanatics pick out which is which. And have them on tape when they make the choice. It would be golden to have it on tape if they picked the digital copy

Or same with R2R vs quad DSD copy of R2R.

(I love to say begs the question. )So it begs the queston. Why would it not be great for an open minded person like yourself- if they consistently picked vinyl. Even better if you consistently picked vinyl. I would love to see the look on your face. Smile

Phelonious Ponk · Jan 22, 2016

I remember that thread. It was not a statistically valid experiment, but pretty well-controlled and conducted for a hobby club test. It changed no minds. People were back to the view that the differences between digital and analog are night and day...that digital doesn't even sound like music...the usual hyperbole...within days.

Tim

amirm · Jan 22, 2016

I remember it too. They/Gary put a lot of effort in it and as noted, did not have an effect. It is OK though as I am mining the playlist Gary used there for future enjoyment.

PeterA · Jan 22, 2016

Gregadd said:
(I love to say begs the question. )So it begs the queston. Why would it not be great for an open minded person like yourself- if they consistently picked vinyl. Even better if you consistently picked vinyl. I would love to see the look on your face. Smile

Here is a fun suggestion for a myth buster, Blizzard. You don't live far from Seattle. Visit Mike L. and Joel Durand. Take a video of yourself listening to their turntables and describe what you hear for the viewer. No controlled testing would be necessary.

Blizzard · Jan 22, 2016

PeterA said:
Here is a fun suggestion for a myth buster, Blizzard. You don't live far from Seattle. Visit Mike L. and Joel Durand. Take a video of yourself listening to their turntables and describe what you hear for the viewer. No controlled testing would be necessary.

I never once claimed that if you spend north of 100K that you can't get good sound out of a turntable setup. But I do think we are at the point today with quad DSD, that a copy of the vinyl rig played back trough a good quad DSD capable DAC would be indistinguishable from the vinyl.

Phelonious Ponk · Jan 22, 2016

amirm said:
I remember it too. They/Gary put a lot of effort in it and as noted, did not have an effect. It is OK though as I am mining the playlist Gary used there for future enjoyment.

Good call.

Tim

treitz3 · Jan 22, 2016

Hello all, I will accept said challenge. I have won some on other forums with 40-50 witnesses, challenged Randi whatever his name is and I am not afraid to admit that my ears may be wrong. To date, my ears have not lied.

So with that said, I will accept any challenge one throws at me. I will accept the video recording of it as well. What I will not accept is excuses as to why the accepted challenge can not be performed. Time will tell and I will be on this Earth for some time. Present the challenge, present all angles to disbelief of said challenge *beforehand* and let's get this done. No excuses. I trust my ears.

Would you trust your test is the question? Regardless of the outcome.

Tom

Blizzard · Jan 22, 2016

treitz3 said:
Hello all, I will accept said challenge. I have won some on other forums with 40-50 witnesses, challenged Randi whatever his name is and I am not afraid to admit that my ears may be wrong. To date, my ears have not lied.

So with that said, I will accept any challenge one throws at me. I will accept the video recording of it as well. What I will not accept is excuses as to why the accepted challenge can not be performed. Time will tell and I will be on this Earth for some time. Present the challenge, present all angles to disbelief of said challenge *beforehand* and let's get this done. No excuses. I trust my ears.

Would you trust your test is the question? Regardless of the outcome.

Tom

What is the said challenge?

treitz3 · Jan 22, 2016

You name it. Let the forum decide.

Tom

Blizzard · Jan 22, 2016

treitz3 said:
You name it. Let the forum decide.

Tom

Nobody lives around me, so any of my challenges will likely never happen. Unless someone wants to travel.

treitz3 · Jan 22, 2016

Hello Mike, my acceptance of the challenge is to not accept any excuses as to why it couldn't be performed. If there is a challenge presented, we can figure out a way to make it happen. I won't give any excuses as to why I couldn't do it, nor should the other party.....even if you aren't there to oversee said challenge.

Just line it up, set up the parameters, qualifications and all angles to debunk either way prior to the test and I am game.

Blind, double blind or whatever else the parameters call for, I am game. My ears have not lied to me yet. While I do not look forward to being proven otherwise, I am up to said challenge regardless of the results. I trust my ears.

Tom

amirm · Jan 22, 2016

treitz3 said:
You name it. Let the forum decide.

Tom

I vote who can run the fastest naked down the main street in snow.

treitz3 · Jan 22, 2016

Blizzard wins. I request that we stay on topic please.

Tom

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