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  1. #311
    Quote Originally Posted by GrantS View Post
    Hi Bud, thanks for the note. I hope all is well with you.

    It may be helpful as context to think of power products such as ours, as high-current amplifiers. Would it be wise to set an amp on its faceplate? Upside down on carpet or wood? God forbid, tile, which I've seen a few times. Nuts.

    Forget the simple aesthetic and possible value loss in terms of cosmetics, but you are essentially setting a high-current device that is sensitive to where it rests, on its flattest surface and in many cases on carpet or a hard surface near massive speakers. Power devices like ours or any others, are sensitive to where they rest, which is why we made that a big part of the Denali design. Caelin would not be doing accelerometer tests if it were not so, see our video on the subject on you-tube. Vibration isolation is critical to high-current devices performing at their peak.

    We've made it impossible to set the 6000S (Shelf unit) on its face by angling the faceplate. None of this is big-time major depending on your perspective, and the product will still function well, but we are in a detail oriented business, where from our necessary perspective, everything matters. The better oriented components are, the better the sound gets. That is why I recommend products like Stillpoints, HRS for supports. They make components sound better and are properly engineered by smart people.

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    Best regards,

    Grant
    As an initial point, while you can't place it on its face, you can place it on its side

    Anyway, what you're saying is 100% on the money although I'm still quite surprised that how the Denali is set up can have such a monumental impact on performance.

    I purchased a 6000/S and after I purchased my D'Agostino M400 monos (which I expected to solve system speed and transient issues given the nasty impedance curve of my speakers) was experiencing slow speed, blunted transients and lack of air and shimmer. For a sanity check, I pulled out the Denali and while the noise floor was higher, all the speed, attack, air and shimmer returned.

    So I emailed my dealer just to let him know my experience and that the Denali was coming out of my system. He was really surprised and said that the Denali was one of the few products in his many years in audio that had almost universally positive feedback, particularly with high end systems. He said he'd email Shunyata and let me know. Shunyata couldn't understand why the Denali was doing that but sent some things to try - one of which is to use the unit as intended (I had been sitting it on its side on two HRS nimbus assemblies due to lack of space - the 6000/T was too wide to fit in the same space due to its spread out feet).

    I was planning on doing my biennial system cleaning anyway and stripped the system down completely and temporarily configured the system so that the Denali was used as intended - on its own feet on hard tile over concrete. Turned the system on and WOW were there transients, but the top end still didn't have the proper air and shimmer.

    I know my speakers and they are tipped down in the brilliance region (which generally helps with real world untreated rooms but is the region that produces air and shimmer) so I figured that the Denali was doing something Focal did not expect - delivering very clean power. Thankfully, this was solvable thanks to Focal's wonderful jumper system - I set the tweeter jumper to high (a +1db boost) and the treble was again airy with the right shimmer.

    So all good? Not quite. I started to reassemble the system and as I usually do, placed HRS nimbus assemblies under all components and cable network boxes. UGH! Sluggish again and blunted transients. Hmm... So I started systemically removing the nimbus assemblies, first from the speaker networks and then from the interconnect networks. Transient attack and speed returned to almost where it was before (for the components, the superior top to bottom effect of the nimbus assemblies warranted their remaining despite a shade of lessened transient speed - as far as I can tell this lessening has to do with my preamp not being on an HRS M3 platform (due to space issues) since it was only when placing the nimbus under the pre that there was any minor detrimental effect on transient speed).

    Morals of the story for me - use components as intended/the manufacturer knows best, get to know your system (speaker measurements are invaluable although that's more a result of the good fortune of having a stereophile review which includes measurements) and sometimes you can't understand what something is doing until you take away other things (even if those things that you take away worked amazingly well earlier).

  2. #312
    I have my Dan D'agostino stereo amp plugged into a Torus AVR16 to good effect. Prior, I connected it into the Shunyata Triton / Typhon and there were no issues of slowness of lack of air.
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    Speakers: Vivid Giya G3

  3. #313
    I'm going to demo 3 conditioners: Audioquest Niagara 5000, Shunyata Denali 6000s, and Richard Gray 1200c.

    I have two dedicated lines.

    Richard Rogers, at Shunyata, has advised that given my two lines, rather than run both my Sources and Amp both through the 6000s, it would better to run my Sources (Mac Pro Server and Lumin S1) through the Denali 6000s and the Amp direct to the wall outlet on the 2nd dedicated line. Even better, for an extra $3400, would be to run the Sources through the 6000s and the amp through the 2000t.

    I plan to also ask Audioquest, and well as Richard Gray Power, if they agree with this approach (to separate Source and Amp on two different dedicated lines rather than run everything through their condiioner.

    Does anyone have opinions on this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wil View Post
    I'm going to demo 3 conditioners: Audioquest Niagara 5000, Shunyata Denali 6000s, and Richard Gray 1200c.

    I have two dedicated lines.

    Richard Rogers, at Shunyata, has advised that given my two lines, rather than run both my Sources and Amp both through the 6000s, it would better to run my Sources (Mac Pro Server and Lumin S1) through the Denali 6000s and the Amp direct to the wall outlet on the 2nd dedicated line. Even better, for an extra $3400, would be to run the Sources through the 6000s and the amp through the 2000t.

    I plan to also ask Audioquest, and well as Richard Gray Power, if they agree with this approach (to separate Source and Amp on two different dedicated lines rather than run everything through their condiioner.

    Does anyone have opinions on this?
    FWIW, after discussing with electricians who wire recording studios and our audio distributor, i ended up putting Source/Pre through the Burmester Power Conditioner into 1 dedicated line...and the power amp thru a dedicated special 16a outlet straight from the wall.
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  5. #315
    Quote Originally Posted by wil View Post
    I'm going to demo 3 conditioners: Audioquest Niagara 5000, Shunyata Denali 6000s, and Richard Gray 1200c.

    I have two dedicated lines.

    Richard Rogers, at Shunyata, has advised that given my two lines, rather than run both my Sources and Amp both through the 6000s, it would better to run my Sources (Mac Pro Server and Lumin S1) through the Denali 6000s and the Amp direct to the wall outlet on the 2nd dedicated line. Even better, for an extra $3400, would be to run the Sources through the 6000s and the amp through the 2000t.

    I plan to also ask Audioquest, and well as Richard Gray Power, if they agree with this approach (to separate Source and Amp on two different dedicated lines rather than run everything through their condiioner.

    Does anyone have opinions on this?
    People that race cars know that there is no replacement for displacement to make horsepower. Likewise, there is no substitute for total current capacity in an audio system. Especially so it you have high power amplifiers. So, for the fortunate people that have more than one dedicated line, it is always advantageous to use them. The best method of dividing the workload is to put the amplifiers on one circuit and all the source equipment on the other.

    For those of you that do not have more than one power line available - no worries. The Denali is more than capable even if you have very high power amplifiers. Just plug the amplifiers into the HC (high current) sockets. The Denali D6000/T is designed to deliver 30 amps of continuous current (US models).

    If you have the luxury of two dedicated lines - use the Denali 6000 for the source equipment and use the Denali D2000/T for the second line. The Denali D2000/T was designed specifically to improve the performance of amplifiers but many people use them for video projectors, two component systems and for headphone systems.
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  6. #316
    Quote Originally Posted by CGabriel View Post
    People that race cars know that there is no replacement for displacement to make horsepower. Likewise, there is no substitute for total current capacity in an audio system. Especially so it you have high power amplifiers. So, for the fortunate people that have more than one dedicated line, it is always advantageous to use them. The best method of dividing the workload is to put the amplifiers on one circuit and all the source equipment on the other.

    For those of you that do not have more than one power line available - no worries. The Denali is more than capable even if you have very high power amplifiers. Just plug the amplifiers into the HC (high current) sockets. The Denali D6000/T is designed to deliver 30 amps of continuous current (US models).

    If you have the luxury of two dedicated lines - use the Denali 6000 for the source equipment and use the Denali D2000/T for the second line. The Denali D2000/T was designed specifically to improve the performance of amplifiers but many people use them for video projectors, two component systems and for headphone systems.
    Given that I won't be able to invest in both the Denali 6000 and the D2000, would you still advise using the 2nd dedicated line for the amp
    rather than running the amp through the Denali 6000 HC line into the first dedicated line? (Also, I'm using a relatively low powered 30 watt/channel tube amp driving high efficiency 107 db speakers.)

    My primary question comes down to what is the trade off in choosing between the isolation offered by running the amp on a separate line (10 gage and 30 amp) and the noise filtering, etc offered by running the amp through the Denali? Thanks!


    Thanks

  7. #317
    Quote Originally Posted by wil View Post
    Given that I won't be able to invest in both the Denali 6000 and the D2000, would you still advise using the 2nd dedicated line for the amp
    rather than running the amp through the Denali 6000 HC line into the first dedicated line? (Also, I'm using a relatively low powered 30 watt/channel tube amp driving high efficiency 107 db speakers.)

    My primary question comes down to what is the trade off in choosing between the isolation offered by running the amp on a separate line (10 gage and 30 amp) and the noise filtering, etc offered by running the amp through the Denali? Thanks!


    Thanks
    If you are asking are there any trade offs compared to another power conditioner like the Niagra; the answer would be no.

    If you are asking if there are advantages to two dedicated lines even though your total current draw is relatively low; the answer would be a “probably not”. Most amplifiers will sound better plugged into the Denali rather than plugged directly into the wall outlet.
    Caelin Gabriel
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    Shunyata Research

    If you want to contact me, send a message to info@shunyata.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by CGabriel View Post
    People that race cars know that there is no replacement for displacement to make horsepower. Likewise, there is no substitute for total current capacity in an audio system. Especially so it you have high power amplifiers. So, for the fortunate people that have more than one dedicated line, it is always advantageous to use them. The best method of dividing the workload is to put the amplifiers on one circuit and all the source equipment on the other.

    For those of you that do not have more than one power line available - no worries. The Denali is more than capable even if you have very high power amplifiers. Just plug the amplifiers into the HC (high current) sockets. The Denali D6000/T is designed to deliver 30 amps of continuous current (US models).

    If you have the luxury of two dedicated lines - use the Denali 6000 for the source equipment and use the Denali D2000/T for the second line. The Denali D2000/T was designed specifically to improve the performance of amplifiers but many people use them for video projectors, two component systems and for headphone systems.
    If you have a 6000T and a 2000T, you have the problem of missing out on two HC receptacles in the 6000T. For that reason I believe that a 6000 model with the 6 receptacles of high filtered should exist, for those who wish to add a 2000T.
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  9. #319
    Quote Originally Posted by nonesup View Post
    If you have a 6000T and a 2000T, you have the problem of missing out on two HC receptacles in the 6000T. For that reason I believe that a 6000 model with the 6 receptacles of high filtered should exist, for those who wish to add a 2000T.
    Thank you for that. We are seriously considering this as a model variation.
    Caelin Gabriel
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    Shunyata Research

    If you want to contact me, send a message to info@shunyata.com

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    So would a Triton V3 on a single dedicated line be a better option than a Denali 6000T and a 2000T on two dedicated lines? If not, would the Typhon (QR - new model?) change the analysis? System includes D'Agostino M400 mono blocs. Thanks.

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